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I didn't really see anything of value in this dataset. What I found more interesting is that someone took the time to put it all together in the first place.

by brk 18y ago

I didn't really see anything of value in this dataset. What I found more interesting is that someone took the time to put it all together in the first place. At the risk of sounding overly negative, I don't really get what the hype about the Olympics, or professional sports is all about. People seem to put a lot of time/effort into watching, tracking, following various sports, but I don't see what the benefit is to being a rabid spectator. It's not like more gold medals == some improvement to society or economy. Same thing when one random sports team bests another in some championship or tournament, no measurable increase (save for the increased revenue to sports paraphernalia dealers).

huherto 18y ago
I think athletes show us great human traits like discipline, and hard work that inspire the rest of us.
jimbokun 18y ago
Can't you say the same thing for most arts and entertainments? Not much "practical" benefit to be had, but that's kind of the point of a diversion.
- brk 18y ago
  You can, and at the risk of sounding even more negative, I don't follow "celebrity stats" much either. However, I don't see people walking around with hats and jerseys with their favorite actors name on it the way you do for sports. I do enjoy many mainstream forms of entertainment (TV, music, movies, etc) I just don't obsess over the smallest details of the entertainers, awards they have won, etc. From my perspective, I would rather take credit for something I have personally done (alone or as part of a team).
  - aggieben 18y ago
    However, I don't see people walking around with hats and jerseys with their favorite actors name on it the way you do for sports. Yes. Yes you do. How many clothing lines exist solely because of some celebrity? Examples here: http://fashion.about.com/cs/celebritystyle/a/celebritylines.htm http://fashion.about.com/cs/celebritystyle/a/celebritylines..... The difference is that the vapid celebrity culture is even more imitated than sports stars, but for even less apparent reasons. At least sports starts have accomplished something, even if it is ultimately not terribly meaningful.
    - brk 18y ago
      I was going to mention the celebrity (endorsed) clothing lines, but most of those are less "obvious" (IMO) than the sports jerseys.
  - krschultz 18y ago
    A lot of people that follow sports closely do it for the same reason that others do cross word puzzles and some are political pundits. Humans enjoy intellectual stimulation beyond their work. If you think that watching SportsCenter everyday and debating sports with your friends is any different than us reading hacker news and enjoying debating about it, then you are just suffering a delusion of superiority. It has nothing to do taking credit for this or that, the debate is what interest people and the statistics are just the weapons.
    - brk 18y ago
      See my other comment above, I think there is a difference because I can apply what I see and learn here directly to my daily activities and interests.
      - krschultz 18y ago
        And people who follow sports deeply are also those likely to play and coach sports, they aren't applying it to their activities and interests? What? Even a weekend warrior gains from watching watching their sport.
mynameishere 18y ago
Well, athletics are a sort of "apex activity". That is, a lot of resources are devoted to them as a goal, rather than they themselves producing resources. I don't like sports, but usually watch the Olympics if I can. Humans have a 1000 or so physical characteristics, and it's interesting to see their upper limits approached.
Locke 18y ago
This is an interesting view point for someone on Hacker News, considering the way we follow tech startups here... I'm a lifelong sports fan. Only in my mid 20's did I start becoming interested in business. One of the first things I noticed is how similar the business page is to the sports page. People follow companies like they're sports teams, gathering detailed statistics (profit, market cap, etc), analyzing match-ups (Microsoft vs Yahoo), discussing all-stars (Steve Jobs), etc. Techcrunch is our Sports Illustrated.
- brk 18y ago
  I am on HN because I am an active hacker and startup junkie. I might have similar feelings about the Olympics and professional sports if I participated in those activities AND could draw useful data to help my personal endeavors. Being that an in depth knowledge of football and related player stats gives me no benefit or edge in my pursuits, I choose not to dedicate time that could be better spent actively doing or learning on spectating.
mechanical_fish 18y ago
I don't see what the benefit is to being a rabid spectator It gives you something to talk about besides the weather. That's a huge part of the draw. If it weren't for sports, what would you do as you sat around drinking in a bar with your friends? Also: Athletic people are fun to look at. And sports offer a nice balance between the predictable results of hours of practice and careful strategic planning (everyone loves it when a plan comes together) and the drama that arises from random factors (as Yogi Berra supposedly said, "it isn't over until it's over").
- brk 18y ago
  Usually when sitting around drinking with my friends we end up talking about things like startup cultures, robotics, home automation, guiter-effects-pedal hacking, economies/investments, business operations, business ideas, religions, etc. FWIW, my friends cover a fairly wide variety of demographics, they are not all geeks or startup people, but they all have the ability to discuss things they are actively involved in in one way or another.
dejb 18y ago
Many people find that physical endevour is an inherent part of being human. Watching the best people compete in sports provides an important perspective on the human condition. When the world comes together to do this it can be a celebration on this aspect of humanity.
whatusername 18y ago
I thought I would be a smart-ass and re-create this data in Google Spreadsheet using GoogleLookup.. Should be great for this kind of thing. 2 minutes to get the medal tally, clean it up in excel and format out the country titles correct. 1 minute to Paste in Goog spreadsheet, setup GoogleLookup queries on each country for GDP / Pop. 2 minutes to fix up the 5 or so countries that it didn't recognise - Korea --> South Korea, Russian Federation --> Russia, Dominican Rep. --> Dominican Republic And then I looked closely at the data Google pulled back... China: * GDP: - "$10 trillion (2006 est.) (purchasing power parity)", * Population: - "1,313,973,713 (July 2006 est.)" USA: * GDP: - "2006 estimate" * Population - "31/km² (172nd)" (A few other countries had similar results) (Sure, it probably just means that wikipedia is formatted differently for some countries, but it ruined my efforts.. Even so - I still got 95% of the data within about 5 minutes, and links to wikipedia pages that probably contained the rest..) --- And with a bit more digging it seems that Google is just getting the figures wrong from wikipedia.. Lots of the countries came from the CIA World fact book - that had the correct numbers in GSpreadsheet; but if it goes to Wikipedia it seems to grab the Pop. Density and not the Pop. Dear Google - please fix your scraper. :)

by brk 18y ago

huherto 18y ago

I think athletes show us great human traits like discipline, and hard work that inspire the rest of us.

jimbokun 18y ago

Can't you say the same thing for most arts and entertainments? Not much "practical" benefit to be had, but that's kind of the point of a diversion.

brk 18y ago
You can, and at the risk of sounding even more negative, I don't follow "celebrity stats" much either. However, I don't see people walking around with hats and jerseys with their favorite actors name on it the way you do for sports. I do enjoy many mainstream forms of entertainment (TV, music, movies, etc) I just don't obsess over the smallest details of the entertainers, awards they have won, etc. From my perspective, I would rather take credit for something I have personally done (alone or as part of a team).
- aggieben 18y ago
  However, I don't see people walking around with hats and jerseys with their favorite actors name on it the way you do for sports. Yes. Yes you do. How many clothing lines exist solely because of some celebrity? Examples here: http://fashion.about.com/cs/celebritystyle/a/celebritylines.htm http://fashion.about.com/cs/celebritystyle/a/celebritylines..... The difference is that the vapid celebrity culture is even more imitated than sports stars, but for even less apparent reasons. At least sports starts have accomplished something, even if it is ultimately not terribly meaningful.
  - brk 18y ago
    I was going to mention the celebrity (endorsed) clothing lines, but most of those are less "obvious" (IMO) than the sports jerseys.
- krschultz 18y ago
  A lot of people that follow sports closely do it for the same reason that others do cross word puzzles and some are political pundits. Humans enjoy intellectual stimulation beyond their work. If you think that watching SportsCenter everyday and debating sports with your friends is any different than us reading hacker news and enjoying debating about it, then you are just suffering a delusion of superiority. It has nothing to do taking credit for this or that, the debate is what interest people and the statistics are just the weapons.
  - brk 18y ago
    See my other comment above, I think there is a difference because I can apply what I see and learn here directly to my daily activities and interests.
    - krschultz 18y ago
      And people who follow sports deeply are also those likely to play and coach sports, they aren't applying it to their activities and interests? What? Even a weekend warrior gains from watching watching their sport.

mynameishere 18y ago

Well, athletics are a sort of "apex activity". That is, a lot of resources are devoted to them as a goal, rather than they themselves producing resources. I don't like sports, but usually watch the Olympics if I can. Humans have a 1000 or so physical characteristics, and it's interesting to see their upper limits approached.

Locke 18y ago

This is an interesting view point for someone on Hacker News, considering the way we follow tech startups here... I'm a lifelong sports fan. Only in my mid 20's did I start becoming interested in business. One of the first things I noticed is how similar the business page is to the sports page. People follow companies like they're sports teams, gathering detailed statistics (profit, market cap, etc), analyzing match-ups (Microsoft vs Yahoo), discussing all-stars (Steve Jobs), etc. Techcrunch is our Sports Illustrated.

brk 18y ago
I am on HN because I am an active hacker and startup junkie. I might have similar feelings about the Olympics and professional sports if I participated in those activities AND could draw useful data to help my personal endeavors. Being that an in depth knowledge of football and related player stats gives me no benefit or edge in my pursuits, I choose not to dedicate time that could be better spent actively doing or learning on spectating.

mechanical_fish 18y ago

I don't see what the benefit is to being a rabid spectator It gives you something to talk about besides the weather. That's a huge part of the draw. If it weren't for sports, what would you do as you sat around drinking in a bar with your friends? Also: Athletic people are fun to look at. And sports offer a nice balance between the predictable results of hours of practice and careful strategic planning (everyone loves it when a plan comes together) and the drama that arises from random factors (as Yogi Berra supposedly said, "it isn't over until it's over").

brk 18y ago
Usually when sitting around drinking with my friends we end up talking about things like startup cultures, robotics, home automation, guiter-effects-pedal hacking, economies/investments, business operations, business ideas, religions, etc. FWIW, my friends cover a fairly wide variety of demographics, they are not all geeks or startup people, but they all have the ability to discuss things they are actively involved in in one way or another.

dejb 18y ago

Many people find that physical endevour is an inherent part of being human. Watching the best people compete in sports provides an important perspective on the human condition. When the world comes together to do this it can be a celebration on this aspect of humanity.

whatusername 18y ago

I thought I would be a smart-ass and re-create this data in Google Spreadsheet using GoogleLookup.. Should be great for this kind of thing. 2 minutes to get the medal tally, clean it up in excel and format out the country titles correct. 1 minute to Paste in Goog spreadsheet, setup GoogleLookup queries on each country for GDP / Pop. 2 minutes to fix up the 5 or so countries that it didn't recognise - Korea --> South Korea, Russian Federation --> Russia, Dominican Rep. --> Dominican Republic And then I looked closely at the data Google pulled back... China: * GDP: - "$10 trillion (2006 est.) (purchasing power parity)", * Population: - "1,313,973,713 (July 2006 est.)" USA: * GDP: - "2006 estimate" * Population - "31/km² (172nd)" (A few other countries had similar results) (Sure, it probably just means that wikipedia is formatted differently for some countries, but it ruined my efforts.. Even so - I still got 95% of the data within about 5 minutes, and links to wikipedia pages that probably contained the rest..) --- And with a bit more digging it seems that Google is just getting the figures wrong from wikipedia.. Lots of the countries came from the CIA World fact book - that had the correct numbers in GSpreadsheet; but if it goes to Wikipedia it seems to grab the Pop. Density and not the Pop. Dear Google - please fix your scraper. :)