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How about we push penalties misleading advertising and deceptive marketing that Tesla is know for?

by 6d6b73 5y ago

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> How about we push penalties misleading advertising and deceptive marketing that Tesla is know for? Why are these issues in competition with one another?
rpmisms 5y ago
> misleading advertising They notoriously don't advertise. Are you referring to the after-savings price calculator on the sales pages?
- spoonjim 5y ago
  Probably the lies of “autopilot” and “full self driving.”
  - willcipriano 5y ago
    You didn't read the fine print, by self driving they mean it drives itself directly into the nearest emergency vehicle with pinpoint accuracy.
    - spoonjim 5y ago
      And the full is for the full body cast you’ll have if you’re lucky. Lol.
      - willcipriano 5y ago
        Just for posterity, this was posted an hour after these comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28633640 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28633640
        spoonjim 5y ago
        LOL. Butthurt Tesla fanboys in this thread.
lostgame 5y ago
Tesla...doesn’t advertise? I have never once seen an ad for Tesla.
- the-dude 5y ago
  What do you think a product/brand website is?
  - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
    Per dictionary.com, the first definition of "advertisement" is "a paid announcement, as of goods for sale, in newspapers or magazines, on radio or television, or on the internet". So, their own website is not an advertisement by that definition. Their second definition: "a public notice, especially in print". So, yes, by that definition. The second definition is second for a reason, though: The first usage is more common. When people say "Tesla doesn't advertise", they mean the first definition. Trying to conflate it with the second definition does not take the discussion anywhere useful.
    - clouddrover 5y ago
      > Per dictionary.com, the first definition of "advertisement" is Not at all a compelling argument. Per the Oxford dictionary (https://www.lexico.com/definition/advertisement https://www.lexico.com/definition/advertisement), the first definition of "advertisement" is "a notice or announcement in a public medium promoting a product, service, or event or publicizing a job vacancy." Per Mirriam-Webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/advertisement https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/advertisement), the first definition of "advertisement" is "a public notice". Per Collins (https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/advertisement https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/adverti...), the first definition of "advertisement" is "an announcement online, or in a newspaper, on television, or on a poster about something such as a product, event, or job." Per Cambridge (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/advertisement https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/advertis...), the first definition of "advertisement" is "a picture, short film, song, etc. that tries to persuade people to buy a product or service, or a piece of text that tells people about a job, etc."
gibolt 5y ago
Have you seen that advertisements that traditional OEMs and dealers run? Have you visited a dealer?
- kube-system 5y ago
  Let's read how two different automakers introduce their driver assistance features: > https://www.cadillac.com/world-of-cadillac/innovation/super-cruise https://www.cadillac.com/world-of-cadillac/innovation/super-... > Super Cruise is the first true hands-free driving-assistance feature for compatible roads vs > https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot > Tesla cars come standard with advanced hardware capable of providing Autopilot features, and full self-driving capabilities Both are SAE J3016 level 2 systems. This engineering standard calls this literally "driver support features" and says they are not "automated driving features". Tesla is really stretching per the SAE spec. https://www.sae.org/binaries/content/gallery/cm/articles/press-releases/2018/12/j3016-levels-of-automation-image.png https://www.sae.org/binaries/content/gallery/cm/articles/pre... Tesla is literally the only automaker that does business in the US that advertises their assistance system this way.
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How about we push penalties misleading advertising and deceptive marketing that Tesla is know for?

by 6d6b73 5y ago

How about we push penalties misleading advertising and deceptive marketing that Tesla is know for?

> How about we push penalties misleading advertising and deceptive marketing that Tesla is know for? Why are these issues in competition with one another?

rpmisms 5y ago

> misleading advertising They notoriously don't advertise. Are you referring to the after-savings price calculator on the sales pages?

spoonjim 5y ago
Probably the lies of “autopilot” and “full self driving.”
- willcipriano 5y ago
  You didn't read the fine print, by self driving they mean it drives itself directly into the nearest emergency vehicle with pinpoint accuracy.
  - spoonjim 5y ago
    And the full is for the full body cast you’ll have if you’re lucky. Lol.
    - willcipriano 5y ago
      Just for posterity, this was posted an hour after these comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28633640 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28633640
      - spoonjim 5y ago
        LOL. Butthurt Tesla fanboys in this thread.

lostgame 5y ago

Tesla...doesn’t advertise? I have never once seen an ad for Tesla.

the-dude 5y ago
What do you think a product/brand website is?
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  Per dictionary.com, the first definition of "advertisement" is "a paid announcement, as of goods for sale, in newspapers or magazines, on radio or television, or on the internet". So, their own website is not an advertisement by that definition. Their second definition: "a public notice, especially in print". So, yes, by that definition. The second definition is second for a reason, though: The first usage is more common. When people say "Tesla doesn't advertise", they mean the first definition. Trying to conflate it with the second definition does not take the discussion anywhere useful.
  - clouddrover 5y ago
    > Per dictionary.com, the first definition of "advertisement" is Not at all a compelling argument. Per the Oxford dictionary (https://www.lexico.com/definition/advertisement https://www.lexico.com/definition/advertisement), the first definition of "advertisement" is "a notice or announcement in a public medium promoting a product, service, or event or publicizing a job vacancy." Per Mirriam-Webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/advertisement https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/advertisement), the first definition of "advertisement" is "a public notice". Per Collins (https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/advertisement https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/adverti...), the first definition of "advertisement" is "an announcement online, or in a newspaper, on television, or on a poster about something such as a product, event, or job." Per Cambridge (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/advertisement https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/advertis...), the first definition of "advertisement" is "a picture, short film, song, etc. that tries to persuade people to buy a product or service, or a piece of text that tells people about a job, etc."

gibolt 5y ago

Have you seen that advertisements that traditional OEMs and dealers run? Have you visited a dealer?

kube-system 5y ago
Let's read how two different automakers introduce their driver assistance features: > https://www.cadillac.com/world-of-cadillac/innovation/super-cruise https://www.cadillac.com/world-of-cadillac/innovation/super-... > Super Cruise is the first true hands-free driving-assistance feature for compatible roads vs > https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot > Tesla cars come standard with advanced hardware capable of providing Autopilot features, and full self-driving capabilities Both are SAE J3016 level 2 systems. This engineering standard calls this literally "driver support features" and says they are not "automated driving features". Tesla is really stretching per the SAE spec. https://www.sae.org/binaries/content/gallery/cm/articles/press-releases/2018/12/j3016-levels-of-automation-image.png https://www.sae.org/binaries/content/gallery/cm/articles/pre... Tesla is literally the only automaker that does business in the US that advertises their assistance system this way.
- deleted 5y ago
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