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Direct bans are not optimal way to remove CO2. Norway is part of EU Emissions Trading System that is becoming very effective. The best way to cut CO2 emissions
by nabla9 5y ago
Direct bans are not optimal way to remove CO2.
Norway is part of EU Emissions Trading System that is becoming very effective. The best way to cut CO2 emissions would be to make coal expensive.
This can be done by requiring that all cars must be 100% carbon neutral. To be able to sell gas, companies have to buy carbon permits and hurt coal production. (100% carbon neutral might not be the endpoint. Requirement can grow to 200% or to any arbitrary number). Those who need gas cars could still use them.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 5y agoThe best way to cut CO2 emissions would be to _ban_ coal.
- Arnt 5y agoFine! Go ahead!
- rjsw 5y agoSome countries [1] will resist that kind of ban. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/20/poland-vows-to-keep-coalmine-open-despite-500000-a-day-ecj-fine https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/20/poland-vows-to...
- nabla9 5y agoNo. The best way to cut emissions is to make CO2 expensive. It's even better than banning coal.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 5y agoHow can a ban cost less than the market price? A ban is like a giant tax, whose amount is set by fines and jail time in addition to the black-market cost of procuring the thing in the first place (which includes the cost of evading the police and paying for the violence that comes with crime). PS: we don't tax crime and genocides, do we?
- imtringued 5y agoand natural gas and diesel and gasoline and and and
- rcMgD2BwE72F 5y agoMaybe start with the worst, and when people have switched to a least (but still unbearable) poison, do the others? I usually starts with starters, then main course and finally dessert, even if I intend to eat my dinner whole.
- vages 5y agoI agree with you, but the reality of Norwegian politics is that people react better to all-out bans than taxes, because bans are perceived as affecting all people equally, no matter their income. Taxes are perceived as affecting people with little income more. I’m very much a fan of taxing all carbon equally, but whenever I discuss the idea with other Norwegians, this reaction seems almost instinctive. In my opinion, there are better, more direct ways to redistribute income if you think that some people have less than they are entitled to (e.g. progressive taxation), but no one seems to convinced by this.
- nabla9 5y agoYou are right, unfortunately. Often the best policy is simple and straight forward but the mechanism of action is something that people don't understand or refuse to believe.