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Tim is in the fight for idealogical reasons, not calculated business ones.

PedroBatista 5y ago
And thank "God" for people like him[1]. Life is unbearable under Tim Cook's "vision", the greed, arrogance and pettiness is at an all-time high, and it's not like it was low before.. [1] Also, nothing is black and white, of course Tim/Epic were looking to get more money from what their customers paid.
- rawbot 5y ago
  This isn't Tim Cook's vision. The closed nature of the App Store is Steve Jobs' legacy. Cook just refuses to kill the Golden Goose. I'm not a fan of Epic, but I hope Apple loses and we get some sort of alternate way to load applications on iOS devices.
  - OrvalWintermute 5y ago
    I actually think this is not the golden goose. 30% is enough to ensure that competitors arise, competitors outcompete them on everything plus price. If Appstore pricing was a neglible amount it would significantly impact the interest of competitors to enter the market. Obligatory Marvel Reference https://youtu.be/Bj6yMYaQPrw?t=75 https://youtu.be/Bj6yMYaQPrw?t=75
- p2t2p 5y ago
  My life under Tim Cook's "vision" is pretty sweet when it comes to electronic devices. With a tap of a button I fill my house with lossless quality of music that is playing on astonishingly capable speakers. Those speakers also answer my questions and run automations on my phone which I can create in a very nice and user-friendly interface. I'm currently watching an episode of a TV Series that is playing from my NAS on my mac through the only player on my Mac (I tried mpv, IINA and VLC) that is capable of playing 8k MKVs without hiccups - Infuse. That player is a port from an iPad app btw. When I finished with my work I say "Hey, Siri, I'm done" and leave the room. Monitor's lightbar, other lights turns off. When it is getting dark my chosen lights turn on automatically, provided somebody's home. My printer doesn't consume electricity in the night because HomeKit automatically turns it off in the evening and turns it on in the morning. I don't need to worry about my daughter putting her fingers into shredder because it is always turned off. When I need it, I say "Hey Siri, turn on shredder". The shredder turns on and it then automatically turns off after 90 seconds. When I get in my car I have a very nice screen on the dashboard that most of the time is capable of guessing where I'm about to go and suggests one-tap navigation. And the music starts playing from where I left off. My photos are downloaded on several devices and backed up in the cloud. The albums are shared with my Mom who is very happy every time when I upload new photos of here granddaughter. My private drm-free music collection is also uploaded to the cloud and synchronised to every device I've got. I can say "Hey Siri, facetime Mom" and I'll see my mother's face over the distance of 17000km in a magnificent quality. My books are synchronised and downloaded across all my devices as well and whenever I feel like reading one, it's right here. None of those books were bought from Apple btw, they are DRM-free. The other day I was wondering if I should buy an iMac for my wife - would it fit in the kitchen or not? Well, there's AR technology on my phone that had no troubles presenting me how it would sit on the counter. Now there's also an AR app that helps me manage my arachnophobia. I am an immigrant. In the past 5 years I had to do so many paperwork that it could fill a little closet. Luckily, compared to my peers I didn't have to print all of those PDFs out. I was able to sign them from my MacBook in Preview and using markup feature on my iPad. I am also a software developer. I value and appreciate Unix core utils. Turns out my Mac is a certified Unix and I am able to automate a lot of things in my day-to-day job using small Unix tools that are imprinted into my fingers. All that while looking at _magnificent_ 4k monitor that delivers 100% of Adobe's gamut and doesn't make my eyes with weird font issues. I love travelling into Australian Outback with my wife and we take some magnificent photos there with our iPhones without having to carry a lot of heavy equipment. We then are able to send this photos to each other whilst being completely off-the-grid, some hundreds of KM from nearest cell tower using AirDrop. It takes milliseconds. On the long drives my daughter can pick up here iPad and just watch some cartoons. iPad connects to the internet using my iPhone automatically when there's reception and Infuse has stuff that it downloaded form my Emby installation when there's none. My podcasts are downloaded automatically without my intervention and put onto my watch. When I go for my walks I don't have to carry my phone. My watch and headphones suffice. When I browse the web using my phone or my mac I don't see any advertisements and popups and auto-playing videos. Safari on my phone and mac is capable of having extensions and has APIs for adblocking applications. 1Blocker takes a good care of me when it comes to ads. My phone provides me with tools to take care of my digital well-being. It lets me know which applications I used the most and when and lets me to block those applications for certain periods of time if I find an unhealthy habit. I write my notes on my iPad. I don't need to cut trees anymore and it is more comfortable. With Notability I can zoom and cut my handwritten nodes and move them around and do all sorts of stuff I can't with regular pen and paper. I recently bought an iPad for my Mom and added her into my Apple One subscription. Now she's in Russia and I'm in Australia and she is able to listen to her beloved old soviet decedent music virtually for free without needing to download it anywhere. I am calm and confident that she's safe using this device and probably of her getting scammed is quite a bit lower compare to any other device. I'm looking forward to what other quality of life improvements Tim Cook's vision will bring to my life. I feel privileged that I have access to this magnificent technology and thankful for that.
  - asddubs 5y ago
    what a longwinded way to miss the point
    - nixgeek 5y ago
      I suggest you consult the HN Guidelines. > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.
  - LanceH 5y ago
    And yet, you're only allowed to install what they authorize. It's a nice cell.
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - Razengan 5y ago
      There’s nothing I want to install on an iPhone or iPad that’s not on the App Store.
      - wayneftw 5y ago
        That's just a lack of imagination. Apple's app store grip prevents whole industries from taking shape.
        p2t2p 5y ago
        If I pick up my Motorola I'll see that I can't even have an adblock for the default browser. And yet very soon my iPhone will receive an update that adds generic extensions support into safari. There's an extension that automatically changes amp links to real pages for example. Android is open as it gets and yet somehow the diversity of software there is lacking. Try finding decent email client that is not Gmail and doesn't suck your data into cloud. iPhone has got multiple and one is OOB.
- prions 5y ago
  Because life under Epics vision of undercutting and delaying releases to Steam is so much more egalitarian and noble People are rooting for Sweeney due to his alpha nerd rage righteous more than how “good”Epic is to their customers
  - wutbrodo 5y ago
    I dokt fully understand the dynamics here, but are those complaints independent of the issue being fought out between Apple and Epic? Ie, couldn't Epic still be engaging in "undercutting and delaying releases" whether or not they're paying 30% to Apple, or is that behavior somehow tangled up in this issue? If it's not, then I don't see the contradiction here. Leaving aside people who make issues like this part of their identity, you can root for Epic in this specific case without deciding that you love Epic, with the focus on the impact of _this case_ on the industry. Just as you can root for Google in Google v Oracle without becoming a superfan of Google's.
flohofwoe 5y ago
Would that be Apple's Tim or Epic's Tim? ;)
ribit 5y ago
Yes, if by ideological reasons you mean „moneyz“.
- gameswithgo 5y ago
  It is easy to be cynical because cynical is usually correct but that really isn’t Sweeny’s motivation here.
  - odshoifsdhfs 5y ago
    https://9to5mac.com/2020/08/21/epic-games-asked-for-special-fortnite-deal-before-protesting-app-store-apple-legal-filing-reveals/ https://9to5mac.com/2020/08/21/epic-games-asked-for-special-... I really don't understand how people still think it is Sweeny's ideology playing here, when he literally emailed Apple for an exception for Epic alone.
smachiz 5y ago
No he isn't. If he was, he'd go after Xbox and PS stores as well which also take 30%. But they make up like 70% of the revenue for Fortnite, so they haven't picked that fight. They went after the bottom 20% of their revenue. That is exactly a calculated business fight.
ncr100 5y ago
Him being rich and powerful lord of the Metaverse idealogy, IMO.

And thank "God" for people like him[1]. Life is unbearable under Tim Cook's "vision", the greed, arrogance and pettiness is at an all-time high, and it's not like it was low before.. [1] Also, nothing is black and white, of course Tim/Epic were looking to get more money from what their customers paid.

rawbot 5y ago
This isn't Tim Cook's vision. The closed nature of the App Store is Steve Jobs' legacy. Cook just refuses to kill the Golden Goose. I'm not a fan of Epic, but I hope Apple loses and we get some sort of alternate way to load applications on iOS devices.
- OrvalWintermute 5y ago
  I actually think this is not the golden goose. 30% is enough to ensure that competitors arise, competitors outcompete them on everything plus price. If Appstore pricing was a neglible amount it would significantly impact the interest of competitors to enter the market. Obligatory Marvel Reference https://youtu.be/Bj6yMYaQPrw?t=75 https://youtu.be/Bj6yMYaQPrw?t=75
p2t2p 5y ago
My life under Tim Cook's "vision" is pretty sweet when it comes to electronic devices. With a tap of a button I fill my house with lossless quality of music that is playing on astonishingly capable speakers. Those speakers also answer my questions and run automations on my phone which I can create in a very nice and user-friendly interface. I'm currently watching an episode of a TV Series that is playing from my NAS on my mac through the only player on my Mac (I tried mpv, IINA and VLC) that is capable of playing 8k MKVs without hiccups - Infuse. That player is a port from an iPad app btw. When I finished with my work I say "Hey, Siri, I'm done" and leave the room. Monitor's lightbar, other lights turns off. When it is getting dark my chosen lights turn on automatically, provided somebody's home. My printer doesn't consume electricity in the night because HomeKit automatically turns it off in the evening and turns it on in the morning. I don't need to worry about my daughter putting her fingers into shredder because it is always turned off. When I need it, I say "Hey Siri, turn on shredder". The shredder turns on and it then automatically turns off after 90 seconds. When I get in my car I have a very nice screen on the dashboard that most of the time is capable of guessing where I'm about to go and suggests one-tap navigation. And the music starts playing from where I left off. My photos are downloaded on several devices and backed up in the cloud. The albums are shared with my Mom who is very happy every time when I upload new photos of here granddaughter. My private drm-free music collection is also uploaded to the cloud and synchronised to every device I've got. I can say "Hey Siri, facetime Mom" and I'll see my mother's face over the distance of 17000km in a magnificent quality. My books are synchronised and downloaded across all my devices as well and whenever I feel like reading one, it's right here. None of those books were bought from Apple btw, they are DRM-free. The other day I was wondering if I should buy an iMac for my wife - would it fit in the kitchen or not? Well, there's AR technology on my phone that had no troubles presenting me how it would sit on the counter. Now there's also an AR app that helps me manage my arachnophobia. I am an immigrant. In the past 5 years I had to do so many paperwork that it could fill a little closet. Luckily, compared to my peers I didn't have to print all of those PDFs out. I was able to sign them from my MacBook in Preview and using markup feature on my iPad. I am also a software developer. I value and appreciate Unix core utils. Turns out my Mac is a certified Unix and I am able to automate a lot of things in my day-to-day job using small Unix tools that are imprinted into my fingers. All that while looking at _magnificent_ 4k monitor that delivers 100% of Adobe's gamut and doesn't make my eyes with weird font issues. I love travelling into Australian Outback with my wife and we take some magnificent photos there with our iPhones without having to carry a lot of heavy equipment. We then are able to send this photos to each other whilst being completely off-the-grid, some hundreds of KM from nearest cell tower using AirDrop. It takes milliseconds. On the long drives my daughter can pick up here iPad and just watch some cartoons. iPad connects to the internet using my iPhone automatically when there's reception and Infuse has stuff that it downloaded form my Emby installation when there's none. My podcasts are downloaded automatically without my intervention and put onto my watch. When I go for my walks I don't have to carry my phone. My watch and headphones suffice. When I browse the web using my phone or my mac I don't see any advertisements and popups and auto-playing videos. Safari on my phone and mac is capable of having extensions and has APIs for adblocking applications. 1Blocker takes a good care of me when it comes to ads. My phone provides me with tools to take care of my digital well-being. It lets me know which applications I used the most and when and lets me to block those applications for certain periods of time if I find an unhealthy habit. I write my notes on my iPad. I don't need to cut trees anymore and it is more comfortable. With Notability I can zoom and cut my handwritten nodes and move them around and do all sorts of stuff I can't with regular pen and paper. I recently bought an iPad for my Mom and added her into my Apple One subscription. Now she's in Russia and I'm in Australia and she is able to listen to her beloved old soviet decedent music virtually for free without needing to download it anywhere. I am calm and confident that she's safe using this device and probably of her getting scammed is quite a bit lower compare to any other device. I'm looking forward to what other quality of life improvements Tim Cook's vision will bring to my life. I feel privileged that I have access to this magnificent technology and thankful for that.
- asddubs 5y ago
  what a longwinded way to miss the point
  - nixgeek 5y ago
    I suggest you consult the HN Guidelines. > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.
- LanceH 5y ago
  And yet, you're only allowed to install what they authorize. It's a nice cell.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - Razengan 5y ago
    There’s nothing I want to install on an iPhone or iPad that’s not on the App Store.
    - wayneftw 5y ago
      That's just a lack of imagination. Apple's app store grip prevents whole industries from taking shape.
      - p2t2p 5y ago
        If I pick up my Motorola I'll see that I can't even have an adblock for the default browser. And yet very soon my iPhone will receive an update that adds generic extensions support into safari. There's an extension that automatically changes amp links to real pages for example. Android is open as it gets and yet somehow the diversity of software there is lacking. Try finding decent email client that is not Gmail and doesn't suck your data into cloud. iPhone has got multiple and one is OOB.
prions 5y ago
Because life under Epics vision of undercutting and delaying releases to Steam is so much more egalitarian and noble People are rooting for Sweeney due to his alpha nerd rage righteous more than how “good”Epic is to their customers
- wutbrodo 5y ago
  I dokt fully understand the dynamics here, but are those complaints independent of the issue being fought out between Apple and Epic? Ie, couldn't Epic still be engaging in "undercutting and delaying releases" whether or not they're paying 30% to Apple, or is that behavior somehow tangled up in this issue? If it's not, then I don't see the contradiction here. Leaving aside people who make issues like this part of their identity, you can root for Epic in this specific case without deciding that you love Epic, with the focus on the impact of _this case_ on the industry. Just as you can root for Google in Google v Oracle without becoming a superfan of Google's.

flohofwoe 5y ago

Would that be Apple's Tim or Epic's Tim? ;)

ribit 5y ago

Yes, if by ideological reasons you mean „moneyz“.

gameswithgo 5y ago
It is easy to be cynical because cynical is usually correct but that really isn’t Sweeny’s motivation here.
- odshoifsdhfs 5y ago
  https://9to5mac.com/2020/08/21/epic-games-asked-for-special-fortnite-deal-before-protesting-app-store-apple-legal-filing-reveals/ https://9to5mac.com/2020/08/21/epic-games-asked-for-special-... I really don't understand how people still think it is Sweeny's ideology playing here, when he literally emailed Apple for an exception for Epic alone.

smachiz 5y ago

No he isn't. If he was, he'd go after Xbox and PS stores as well which also take 30%. But they make up like 70% of the revenue for Fortnite, so they haven't picked that fight. They went after the bottom 20% of their revenue. That is exactly a calculated business fight.

ncr100 5y ago

Him being rich and powerful lord of the Metaverse idealogy, IMO.