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It can be argued that lightning is slightly better, sure. But billions of people use USB-C daily, and even half of Apples product line only has them instead of

It can be argued that lightning is slightly better, sure. But billions of people use USB-C daily, and even half of Apples product line only has them instead of lightning, so not sure if the difference is that meaningful.

midasuni 5y ago
I don’t own a single usbc device, I have lightning on my phone, and tons of microusb-usbA devices/cables “Billions” sounds like a HN bubble statement.
- vetinari 5y ago
  Same applies in reverse. I don't own a single lightning device, but everything (minus older devices) has usb-c. Even rechargeable battery inside a flashlight.
- Aeolun 5y ago
  I think that’s where we are headed though. I used to have only microusb, but everything I bought in the past year has had usb-c.
- endless1234 5y ago
  6 billion smartphone subscriptions worldwide (according to https://www.statista.com/statistics/330695/number-of-smartphone-users-worldwide/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/330695/number-of-smartph...), Android is about 70% (https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide), and has been predominantly USB C for the past 5 years or so (eg Samsung S7, released in 2016, was their first phone with USB-C afaics). I don't think it's that far fetched.
  - agurk 5y ago
    According to Wikipedia the S7 was first released 2016-03-11. The Oneplus 2 was released on 2015-07-28 which was one the first with a USB-C port. One of the big reasons for me getting the OP2 was the port and I'm still using it (with LineageOS). I'm sure I would have upgraded long ago if it didn't have a USB-C port as that's what I've standardised on for all my portable electronics.
- notacoward 5y ago
  So you cite a sample of N=1 and then claim than anything else must be from within a bubble? Interesting.
  - midasuni 5y ago
    I’m at a hotel breakfast, so far this morning I’ve seen half a dozen usb-a sockets and not a single usb-c socket. Majority of electronic devices are older than usb-c standard, even the electric screwdriver I bought two months ago was micro-usb, as is the shaver I used this morning. At work about half the low power devices are PoE or Micro-USB. Aside from a few laptops USB-C is still rare.
    - notacoward 5y ago
      That's still just anecdote. I have USB-C for one pair of headphones, two pairs of earbuds, a bedside light/charger, and of course my phone. But I don't assume my experience is universal. I look at data, as should you, and it does seem that there are indeed billions of devices out there using USB-C. https://epsnews.com/2017/12/28/usb-type-c-adoption-keeps-growing-industry-segments/ https://epsnews.com/2017/12/28/usb-type-c-adoption-keeps-gro... Looks like phones alone account for ~3B in a single year, so no, it's not just laptops. Even if you exclude those, the "consumer electronics" segment looks like it'll go over 1B/year pretty soon. Get out of your bubble.
- fomine3 5y ago
  US bubble.
  - notacoward 5y ago
    Not according to real data. https://www.marketresearchblog.org/2021/09/22/usb-type-c-market-to-witness-a-cagr-of-29-through-2030-north-america-continues-to-dominate-the-market-future-market-insights/ https://www.marketresearchblog.org/2021/09/22/usb-type-c-mar... That seems to show that the US is a plurality, but not a majority, of USB-C shipments.

midasuni 5y ago

I don’t own a single usbc device, I have lightning on my phone, and tons of microusb-usbA devices/cables “Billions” sounds like a HN bubble statement.

vetinari 5y ago
Same applies in reverse. I don't own a single lightning device, but everything (minus older devices) has usb-c. Even rechargeable battery inside a flashlight.
Aeolun 5y ago
I think that’s where we are headed though. I used to have only microusb, but everything I bought in the past year has had usb-c.
endless1234 5y ago
6 billion smartphone subscriptions worldwide (according to https://www.statista.com/statistics/330695/number-of-smartphone-users-worldwide/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/330695/number-of-smartph...), Android is about 70% (https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide), and has been predominantly USB C for the past 5 years or so (eg Samsung S7, released in 2016, was their first phone with USB-C afaics). I don't think it's that far fetched.
- agurk 5y ago
  According to Wikipedia the S7 was first released 2016-03-11. The Oneplus 2 was released on 2015-07-28 which was one the first with a USB-C port. One of the big reasons for me getting the OP2 was the port and I'm still using it (with LineageOS). I'm sure I would have upgraded long ago if it didn't have a USB-C port as that's what I've standardised on for all my portable electronics.
notacoward 5y ago
So you cite a sample of N=1 and then claim than anything else must be from within a bubble? Interesting.
- midasuni 5y ago
  I’m at a hotel breakfast, so far this morning I’ve seen half a dozen usb-a sockets and not a single usb-c socket. Majority of electronic devices are older than usb-c standard, even the electric screwdriver I bought two months ago was micro-usb, as is the shaver I used this morning. At work about half the low power devices are PoE or Micro-USB. Aside from a few laptops USB-C is still rare.
  - notacoward 5y ago
    That's still just anecdote. I have USB-C for one pair of headphones, two pairs of earbuds, a bedside light/charger, and of course my phone. But I don't assume my experience is universal. I look at data, as should you, and it does seem that there are indeed billions of devices out there using USB-C. https://epsnews.com/2017/12/28/usb-type-c-adoption-keeps-growing-industry-segments/ https://epsnews.com/2017/12/28/usb-type-c-adoption-keeps-gro... Looks like phones alone account for ~3B in a single year, so no, it's not just laptops. Even if you exclude those, the "consumer electronics" segment looks like it'll go over 1B/year pretty soon. Get out of your bubble.
fomine3 5y ago
US bubble.
- notacoward 5y ago
  Not according to real data. https://www.marketresearchblog.org/2021/09/22/usb-type-c-market-to-witness-a-cagr-of-29-through-2030-north-america-continues-to-dominate-the-market-future-market-insights/ https://www.marketresearchblog.org/2021/09/22/usb-type-c-mar... That seems to show that the US is a plurality, but not a majority, of USB-C shipments.