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I think Rogan is just going where the money is, which is low-key pandering to the "alt-right" or whatever the hell it's called this week. That is clearly where

by api 5y ago

I think Rogan is just going where the money is, which is low-key pandering to the "alt-right" or whatever the hell it's called this week. That is clearly where the big bucks are in talk radio, social media grinding, etc. There aren't many liberal, leftist, actual-libertarian, or centrist personalities with huge audiences. The only ones that come close to the far right are "dirtbag leftists" like Chapo Trap House who use an equally obnoxious anti-intellectual straw man bashing style. If you want the audience, apparently you gotta troll and get stupid. I get the sense that the people who would make up those audiences for higher-brow content have better things to do. I noticed a distinct change in his guests and style when he started to get big, which probably means he's feeling the pressure to rake in those ad dollars for the networks.

kardianos 5y ago
Have you watched Joe Rogan? What makes someone a "real intellectual"?
- api 5y ago
  I used to like Rogan years ago. He was sort of like a cross between Art Bell and Howard Stern, but with less of a penchant for bringing on wild-ass cranks than Art Bell. I found Art Bell entertaining but didn't buy 90% of the stuff on there. A real intellectual is someone with a deep understanding of their field. It's usually someone actually working in their field, not a media personality. Actually doing things generally leaves one with little time to talk about doing them, especially to the degree that is required to build a big audience.
  - rednerrus 5y ago
    Rogan is an intellectual when it comes to Standup Comedy and Mixed Martial Arts. 25% of his last 20 guests have a doctorate: Anna Lembke, MD Bret Weinstein, MA, PHD Rhonda Patrick, PHD Lex Fridman, MS, PHD These are specialists in their fields. Rogan is exposing his audience to legitimate intellectuals. He also tends to have a melange of perspectives on his show. You may hear Alex Jones in one episode and Amy Schumer on the next. Elon Musk, Edward Snowden, Maajid Nawaz, Neil Degrasse Tyson, Dave Chapelle, Louis CK, Bernie Sanders, Sam Harris, Ted Nugent, Henry Rollins have all been guests on his show. It's hard to argue that these people aren't experts in their fields.
    - Uninen 5y ago
      Louis CK has never been on The Joe Rogan Experience.
      - rednerrus 5y ago
        TIL
- brianwawok 5y ago
  Did Rogan even attend college? I don't know enough about his background. Getting a phd is a pretty good step, but not the only step, for being an intellectual. Going to high school and then spouting out things like taking horse medicine to cure covid would be a pointer in the opposite direction.
  - zpeti 5y ago
    You do realise the inventor of "horse dewormer" who got a nobel prize for it (does that count as intellectual) also talked about how it has antiviral properties? Oh wait you didn't because his video got removed from YouTube by other "very clever people"TM I'm not endorsing ivermectin, I don't know if it works for covid or any other viral infection, but your reduction to people needing a PHD to make informed choices is just silly.
    - api 5y ago
      There is some possibility that ivermectin has some benefit for COVID, but right now there are few if any high quality studies showing that. The right answer is to do more higher quality studies. There is zero justification for getting on the radio and YouTube and hyping it up to the point that ignorant or desperate people try to take horse paste, especially when you combine it with soft-pedal antivax bullshit that convinces people they can put horse paste in their coffee instead of getting the vaccine. This stuff has killed people. https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/241660405_3045984345679983_2416686205415535161_n.png?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=hz-8GvKfgxYAX_B28BJ&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=a32422721554b1d506b003490ebfa835&oe=61501852 https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/241660405... Numbers are similar in other places.
  - api 5y ago
    Yeah the horse paste and soft-pedal antivax shit is definitely when Rogan and also the "Intellectual Dark Web" jumped the shark. I don't think you need a Ph.D, but as you say it's one decent avenue. You can also grind yourself up, but you have to be an honest real autodidact who actually tries to learn stuff not a crank. The core characteristic of a crank IMHO is that they either stop when they know enough to sound smart or get emotionally attached to particular points of view and refuse to entertain others.
W-Stool 5y ago
"I get the sense that the people who would make up those audiences probably have better things to do ..." This 1000%.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  How do you explain Reddit then?
CountDrewku 5y ago
Almost the entire msm is left, hollywood is far left, tech is left, the music industry is left.... I agree that maybe when it comes to new media like podcasts or YouTube you'll find more conservatives with big audiences but I think the reason is that they've been driven out of the mainstream so they found areas where their voices could be heard. >I think Rogan is just going where the money is, which is low-key pandering to the "alt-right" or whatever the hell it's called this week. I think he would tell you the goal posts have moved. The stuff he says wouldn't have been controversial at all 5-10 years ago. Now he's considered right wing by many. I agree with his stance on this because I feel the same way. I feel like the left shifted so far left it doesn't represent me anymore and while I don't 100% agree with the "Rogans" of the world they feel far more sane to me than the current left.
- belltaco 5y ago
  >Almost the entire msm is left, hollywood is far left, tech is left, the music industry is left.... Kind of, because reality and science have a liberal bias. The recipient of the highest civilian award in the US said this to his 15 million audience. >"It looks like the coronavirus is being weaponized as yet another element to bring down Donald Trump," Limbaugh said Feb. 24 on his radio show. "Now, I want to tell you the truth about the coronavirus … I’m dead right on this. The coronavirus is the common cold, folks." >"The drive-by media hype up this thing as a pandemic," Limbaugh continued. Most popular cable channel said this about Covid while Covid was raging in Wuhan and Italy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o Not to mention talk radio is mostly far right wing and conservative, and very popular. Covid raging among the unvaccinated, un-masked and people not following social distancing is just reality colliding with right wing misinformation, fake news and fantasies. Not even mentioning QAnon.
- GoodJokes 5y ago
  You all need to learn the different between liberals and leftists and start using the terms correctly. If the entire msm was left we would live in a different world. The entire msm rallied against Bernie in the last election. Bernie was the biggest flag bearer of the left in 50 years

by api 5y ago

kardianos 5y ago

Have you watched Joe Rogan? What makes someone a "real intellectual"?

api 5y ago
I used to like Rogan years ago. He was sort of like a cross between Art Bell and Howard Stern, but with less of a penchant for bringing on wild-ass cranks than Art Bell. I found Art Bell entertaining but didn't buy 90% of the stuff on there. A real intellectual is someone with a deep understanding of their field. It's usually someone actually working in their field, not a media personality. Actually doing things generally leaves one with little time to talk about doing them, especially to the degree that is required to build a big audience.
- rednerrus 5y ago
  Rogan is an intellectual when it comes to Standup Comedy and Mixed Martial Arts. 25% of his last 20 guests have a doctorate: Anna Lembke, MD Bret Weinstein, MA, PHD Rhonda Patrick, PHD Lex Fridman, MS, PHD These are specialists in their fields. Rogan is exposing his audience to legitimate intellectuals. He also tends to have a melange of perspectives on his show. You may hear Alex Jones in one episode and Amy Schumer on the next. Elon Musk, Edward Snowden, Maajid Nawaz, Neil Degrasse Tyson, Dave Chapelle, Louis CK, Bernie Sanders, Sam Harris, Ted Nugent, Henry Rollins have all been guests on his show. It's hard to argue that these people aren't experts in their fields.
  - Uninen 5y ago
    Louis CK has never been on The Joe Rogan Experience.
    - rednerrus 5y ago
      TIL
brianwawok 5y ago
Did Rogan even attend college? I don't know enough about his background. Getting a phd is a pretty good step, but not the only step, for being an intellectual. Going to high school and then spouting out things like taking horse medicine to cure covid would be a pointer in the opposite direction.
- zpeti 5y ago
  You do realise the inventor of "horse dewormer" who got a nobel prize for it (does that count as intellectual) also talked about how it has antiviral properties? Oh wait you didn't because his video got removed from YouTube by other "very clever people"TM I'm not endorsing ivermectin, I don't know if it works for covid or any other viral infection, but your reduction to people needing a PHD to make informed choices is just silly.
  - api 5y ago
    There is some possibility that ivermectin has some benefit for COVID, but right now there are few if any high quality studies showing that. The right answer is to do more higher quality studies. There is zero justification for getting on the radio and YouTube and hyping it up to the point that ignorant or desperate people try to take horse paste, especially when you combine it with soft-pedal antivax bullshit that convinces people they can put horse paste in their coffee instead of getting the vaccine. This stuff has killed people. https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/241660405_3045984345679983_2416686205415535161_n.png?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=hz-8GvKfgxYAX_B28BJ&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=a32422721554b1d506b003490ebfa835&oe=61501852 https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/241660405... Numbers are similar in other places.
- api 5y ago
  Yeah the horse paste and soft-pedal antivax shit is definitely when Rogan and also the "Intellectual Dark Web" jumped the shark. I don't think you need a Ph.D, but as you say it's one decent avenue. You can also grind yourself up, but you have to be an honest real autodidact who actually tries to learn stuff not a crank. The core characteristic of a crank IMHO is that they either stop when they know enough to sound smart or get emotionally attached to particular points of view and refuse to entertain others.

W-Stool 5y ago

"I get the sense that the people who would make up those audiences probably have better things to do ..." This 1000%.

CountDrewku 5y ago
How do you explain Reddit then?

CountDrewku 5y ago

Almost the entire msm is left, hollywood is far left, tech is left, the music industry is left.... I agree that maybe when it comes to new media like podcasts or YouTube you'll find more conservatives with big audiences but I think the reason is that they've been driven out of the mainstream so they found areas where their voices could be heard. >I think Rogan is just going where the money is, which is low-key pandering to the "alt-right" or whatever the hell it's called this week. I think he would tell you the goal posts have moved. The stuff he says wouldn't have been controversial at all 5-10 years ago. Now he's considered right wing by many. I agree with his stance on this because I feel the same way. I feel like the left shifted so far left it doesn't represent me anymore and while I don't 100% agree with the "Rogans" of the world they feel far more sane to me than the current left.

belltaco 5y ago
>Almost the entire msm is left, hollywood is far left, tech is left, the music industry is left.... Kind of, because reality and science have a liberal bias. The recipient of the highest civilian award in the US said this to his 15 million audience. >"It looks like the coronavirus is being weaponized as yet another element to bring down Donald Trump," Limbaugh said Feb. 24 on his radio show. "Now, I want to tell you the truth about the coronavirus … I’m dead right on this. The coronavirus is the common cold, folks." >"The drive-by media hype up this thing as a pandemic," Limbaugh continued. Most popular cable channel said this about Covid while Covid was raging in Wuhan and Italy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o Not to mention talk radio is mostly far right wing and conservative, and very popular. Covid raging among the unvaccinated, un-masked and people not following social distancing is just reality colliding with right wing misinformation, fake news and fantasies. Not even mentioning QAnon.
GoodJokes 5y ago
You all need to learn the different between liberals and leftists and start using the terms correctly. If the entire msm was left we would live in a different world. The entire msm rallied against Bernie in the last election. Bernie was the biggest flag bearer of the left in 50 years