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The problem I have with this is the same one I have with a lot of philosophical texts: It's a nice concept, kudos to you for coming up with it. Hundreds of such

The problem I have with this is the same one I have with a lot of philosophical texts: It's a nice concept, kudos to you for coming up with it. Hundreds of such concepts exist and they all sound good to their authors. What is the point of coming up with them other than the kind of satisfaction children also know when they make up stories about the world around them?

Nemrod67 5y ago
yep, that's in theory what separates cranks from science :p IMHO the first step would be to identify values, parameters and their relationship. That's where science is done, but it is hard not to step in crank territory. It's not that original either, Gettier cases and Gödel's incompleteness are intertwined with these subjects. All it needs is some rigor and maybe something can come out of it. I posit this something is missing if we are to advance our Civilization further. EDIT: the poster of the link also posted a link about some Heidegger's "Question concerning Technology", seems like I've been missing some Heidegger as a foundation/inspiration http://www.english.hawaii.edu/criticalink/heidegger/index.html http://www.english.hawaii.edu/criticalink/heidegger/index.ht...
steve_adams_86 5y ago
Can you point to any philosophical texts you know of which don’t have this problem?
- krageon 5y ago
  There are philosophical works that outline methods that you can test yourself (e.g. the socratic method of teaching). Then it is more possible to verify whether or not it works well (even though it can be immensely irritating, also like the socratic method/conversation) and that makes it in my view less of a part of the realm of pure fantasy. Not that there is anything wrong with that realm, I just don't feel that it is worth the prestige that it sometimes gets.
  - steve_adams_86 5y ago
    Right, I see where you're coming from. I was curious if you'd categorize something like Socratic methods under fantasy as well. I agree though that practical, testable philosophies are nice in that they provide some degree of mental tangibility. I suppose the more fantasy-oriented stuff is useful as an exploratory or thought exercise, but like you I don't pursue it so much. I like when philosophy can help me (and those around me) live tomorrow better than today in a very direct sense.

Nemrod67 5y ago

yep, that's in theory what separates cranks from science :p IMHO the first step would be to identify values, parameters and their relationship. That's where science is done, but it is hard not to step in crank territory. It's not that original either, Gettier cases and Gödel's incompleteness are intertwined with these subjects. All it needs is some rigor and maybe something can come out of it. I posit this something is missing if we are to advance our Civilization further. EDIT: the poster of the link also posted a link about some Heidegger's "Question concerning Technology", seems like I've been missing some Heidegger as a foundation/inspiration http://www.english.hawaii.edu/criticalink/heidegger/index.html http://www.english.hawaii.edu/criticalink/heidegger/index.ht...

steve_adams_86 5y ago

Can you point to any philosophical texts you know of which don’t have this problem?

krageon 5y ago
There are philosophical works that outline methods that you can test yourself (e.g. the socratic method of teaching). Then it is more possible to verify whether or not it works well (even though it can be immensely irritating, also like the socratic method/conversation) and that makes it in my view less of a part of the realm of pure fantasy. Not that there is anything wrong with that realm, I just don't feel that it is worth the prestige that it sometimes gets.
- steve_adams_86 5y ago
  Right, I see where you're coming from. I was curious if you'd categorize something like Socratic methods under fantasy as well. I agree though that practical, testable philosophies are nice in that they provide some degree of mental tangibility. I suppose the more fantasy-oriented stuff is useful as an exploratory or thought exercise, but like you I don't pursue it so much. I like when philosophy can help me (and those around me) live tomorrow better than today in a very direct sense.