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For some, "Give me Liberty or give me Death!" is simply an anachronistic saying. For others, it's an important motto.

hilbert42 5y ago
This is fine if the person saying it is the only one involved. Unfortunately, there are many in that community - for example children not yet of age - who have absolutely no say in the matter. Thus it's incumbent on people like us to at least try to help them. QED.
- rpmisms 5y ago
  If Covid impacted the general population the same way it did kids, this would be over by now. We know who the vulnerable people are, and almost all of them are over 50. I don't think that's the best way to approach the issue. Fundamental freedoms can be dangerous. This is something that's hard to admit for people who've never experienced the more real side of life, the people who haven't stared death in the eye before. Patrick Henry was not the only person involved when he made his declaration. Many people died, due in part to his words. Life is nasty, hard, and has a 100% mortality rate. Let me put it this way: would becoming a full police state be worth it to you, if it eliminated Covid? No? Where's the line?
  - tclancy 5y ago
    > Life is nasty, hard, and has a 100% mortality rate. The same is true of rabies. Say what you actually mean.
    - hilbert42 5y ago
      I have, and very clearly at that.
    - rpmisms 5y ago
      I'm saying what I mean. Death happens. Doing everything possible to stop death infringes on basic human rights. Where's the line?
  - hilbert42 5y ago
    "...and almost all of them are over 50." Not true with delta, sorry!
    - rpmisms 5y ago
      Sure, Delta is more transmissible, but it's not more deadly, as far as any metrics have been able to tell.
      - taylodl 5y ago
        The story I've heard is Delta isn't any more deadly to the over 50 crowd, but it's definitely more deadly to the under 50 crowd. I understand there's been a surge of younger adults going to the hospitals and ICUs and young children are filling up the children's hospitals. I suspect the younger people respond better to treatment, but I don't have any stats to reinforce that suspicion. Even so, they're filling hospitals and there have already been cases where people having non-Covid related issues have died while trying to find a hospital able to admit them. It's a mess.
        rpmisms 5y ago
        That story isn't backed up by any numbers I've seen.
- j4kp07 5y ago
  Influenza is more deadly to children than Covid. Stop standing on the shoulders of children for political points.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  Children aren't really victims of Covid aside from their parents being affected maybe and the restriction put on them.

This is fine if the person saying it is the only one involved. Unfortunately, there are many in that community - for example children not yet of age - who have absolutely no say in the matter. Thus it's incumbent on people like us to at least try to help them. QED.

rpmisms 5y ago
If Covid impacted the general population the same way it did kids, this would be over by now. We know who the vulnerable people are, and almost all of them are over 50. I don't think that's the best way to approach the issue. Fundamental freedoms can be dangerous. This is something that's hard to admit for people who've never experienced the more real side of life, the people who haven't stared death in the eye before. Patrick Henry was not the only person involved when he made his declaration. Many people died, due in part to his words. Life is nasty, hard, and has a 100% mortality rate. Let me put it this way: would becoming a full police state be worth it to you, if it eliminated Covid? No? Where's the line?
- tclancy 5y ago
  > Life is nasty, hard, and has a 100% mortality rate. The same is true of rabies. Say what you actually mean.
  - hilbert42 5y ago
    I have, and very clearly at that.
  - rpmisms 5y ago
    I'm saying what I mean. Death happens. Doing everything possible to stop death infringes on basic human rights. Where's the line?
- hilbert42 5y ago
  "...and almost all of them are over 50." Not true with delta, sorry!
  - rpmisms 5y ago
    Sure, Delta is more transmissible, but it's not more deadly, as far as any metrics have been able to tell.
    - taylodl 5y ago
      The story I've heard is Delta isn't any more deadly to the over 50 crowd, but it's definitely more deadly to the under 50 crowd. I understand there's been a surge of younger adults going to the hospitals and ICUs and young children are filling up the children's hospitals. I suspect the younger people respond better to treatment, but I don't have any stats to reinforce that suspicion. Even so, they're filling hospitals and there have already been cases where people having non-Covid related issues have died while trying to find a hospital able to admit them. It's a mess.
      - rpmisms 5y ago
        That story isn't backed up by any numbers I've seen.
j4kp07 5y ago
Influenza is more deadly to children than Covid. Stop standing on the shoulders of children for political points.
raxxorrax 5y ago
Children aren't really victims of Covid aside from their parents being affected maybe and the restriction put on them.