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> Give it the functionality to have any IO device attached (USB-C) instead. Because a laptop is a portable device, and carrying something with dongles dangling

> Give it the functionality to have any IO device attached (USB-C) instead. Because a laptop is a portable device, and carrying something with dongles dangling from it is something that nobody wants to do.

int_19h 5y ago
Hence the solution that the Framework offers: a device body that allocates space for USB-C dongles such that they fit flush when installed. Now all we need is an industry standard for those.
- romwell 5y ago
  Yup, I'm singing praise to Framework here. The sanest system I've seen in a decade at least. I don't even need a new laptop, and I still want this one.
- ninkendo 5y ago
  How many additional watt-hours of battery would they have been able to fit in the laptop if they didn’t have the carve-outs for such dongles? Say what you want about the MacBook’s lack of user-replacability, but it’s basically a tiny chip board about the same size as the iPhone’s, with a big box of batteries holding it.
  - NikolaNovak 5y ago
    Yeah I'm still waiting on the improved battery life that losing 3.5mm was supposed to give me. Not buying it. I'll take extra 2mm for 3.5mm and usb a.
    - ddoeth 5y ago
      Going to get into the 1.5mm jack life
  - romwell 5y ago
    Not enough to justify cutting them out. (The answer is of the same level as question. If you want to imply that there's a significant gain, go prove it.)
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    > How many additional watt-hours of battery would they have been able to fit in the laptop if they didn’t have the carve-outs for such dongles? Looking at the insides, I'm going to guess about 2 watt hours. Or they could have made it unmeasurably thinner. > Say what you want about the MacBook’s lack of user-replacability, but it’s basically a tiny chip board about the same size as the iPhone’s, with a big box of batteries holding it. Framework has 55 watt hours. The obsolete macbooks have 41. Both intel and M1 macbook pros have 58. Both intel and M1 macbook airs have 50. Sounds like that lack of user-replacability isn't necessary.
- heisenzombie 5y ago
  I guess PCMCIA was kind of like this. Of course dongles were bigger back then.
  - girvo 5y ago
    Man I loved the idea of PCMCIA back in the day. Mobile network access (EDGE, if I remember correctly) via one of them on my chunky Toshiba was awesome.
    - toyg 5y ago
      I was fascinated by PCMCIA, because I had a laptop I was trying to put OpenBSD on it in 2001 and its ethernet port was not working, so the card was a workaround. I always wondered why it didn't really take off in Europe, it was a simple and pretty compact way (for the time) to get very advanced stuff in a laptop - I guess it was expensive to produce and the name was atrocious. I believe it got more popular in Japan.

int_19h 5y ago

Hence the solution that the Framework offers: a device body that allocates space for USB-C dongles such that they fit flush when installed. Now all we need is an industry standard for those.

romwell 5y ago
Yup, I'm singing praise to Framework here. The sanest system I've seen in a decade at least. I don't even need a new laptop, and I still want this one.
ninkendo 5y ago
How many additional watt-hours of battery would they have been able to fit in the laptop if they didn’t have the carve-outs for such dongles? Say what you want about the MacBook’s lack of user-replacability, but it’s basically a tiny chip board about the same size as the iPhone’s, with a big box of batteries holding it.
- NikolaNovak 5y ago
  Yeah I'm still waiting on the improved battery life that losing 3.5mm was supposed to give me. Not buying it. I'll take extra 2mm for 3.5mm and usb a.
  - ddoeth 5y ago
    Going to get into the 1.5mm jack life
- romwell 5y ago
  Not enough to justify cutting them out. (The answer is of the same level as question. If you want to imply that there's a significant gain, go prove it.)
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  > How many additional watt-hours of battery would they have been able to fit in the laptop if they didn’t have the carve-outs for such dongles? Looking at the insides, I'm going to guess about 2 watt hours. Or they could have made it unmeasurably thinner. > Say what you want about the MacBook’s lack of user-replacability, but it’s basically a tiny chip board about the same size as the iPhone’s, with a big box of batteries holding it. Framework has 55 watt hours. The obsolete macbooks have 41. Both intel and M1 macbook pros have 58. Both intel and M1 macbook airs have 50. Sounds like that lack of user-replacability isn't necessary.
heisenzombie 5y ago
I guess PCMCIA was kind of like this. Of course dongles were bigger back then.
- girvo 5y ago
  Man I loved the idea of PCMCIA back in the day. Mobile network access (EDGE, if I remember correctly) via one of them on my chunky Toshiba was awesome.
  - toyg 5y ago
    I was fascinated by PCMCIA, because I had a laptop I was trying to put OpenBSD on it in 2001 and its ethernet port was not working, so the card was a workaround. I always wondered why it didn't really take off in Europe, it was a simple and pretty compact way (for the time) to get very advanced stuff in a laptop - I guess it was expensive to produce and the name was atrocious. I believe it got more popular in Japan.