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It's really so amazing to watch how humanity is spending great amounts of creative energy toward the goal of ending humanity.
by blunte 5y ago
It's really so amazing to watch how humanity is spending great amounts of creative energy toward the goal of ending humanity.
- rocgf 5y agoThe goal is not to end humanity, though.
- gberger 5y agoThe goal is to end humans.
- myth_drannon 5y agoThe stated goal of Iran's government is to end a specific group of humans that identify themselves as Israelis by using nuclear or conventional weapons.
- blunte 5y agoOf course that's not the goal in most cases (but it obviously is the case where warfare is involved - at least ending a subset of humanity). But if you look at food/diet changes, lifestyle changes, warfare changes, energy source/consumption changes, and so on, you can see we are working toward the end of humanity. Hopefully it will take a very long time, but there will be a tipping point where it becomes _very_ unpleasant. Let's extrapolate with some current technologies a bit. We have these pretty cool gunshot locator systems; we have AI or robotic attack systems; we have broader control systems which can disable power and water from target zones. Heck we can control and overload industrial systems, potentially causing mass casualties. No one sets out to end humanity. Well, most people don't. But degree by degree (pun not initially intended) we get closer to self-induced extinction.
- s5300 5y agoI'm somewhat unconvinced. I think there's a decent amount of fantastical evangelicals attempting to create their own little rapture at this point. https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/3/15/17117298/mike-pompeo-trump-secretary-of-state-politics-battle-evangelical-holy-war-christian https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/3/15/17117298/mike-pompe... WAPO and others have better pay walled articles.
- MisterBastahrd 5y agoThe goal is to be respected on a geopolitical basis. Much easier to bully a nation militarily if they can't respond with a nuke.
- hilbertseries 5y agoEnding humanity, is trying to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons?
- u801e 5y agoIs there a fundamental difference between Iran having nuclear weapons compared to Pakistan? If the government of Pakistan hasn't used them so far, then why would Iran?
- flyinglizard 5y agoIran is in an open state of warfare with Israel.
- blunte 5y agoDig a little. Why? Why is anyone at war with anyone else? Usually the answer is, "because they did this first". But if you follow all the trails, you ultimately come to the conclusion that the real answer is either, "well, they're not us". Or "they look different". Or sadly amusingly, because "they claim they invented hummus, but WE invented hummus". Or "they wear their little caps differently from how we do". But if you put two people from opposing sides together at a dinner table, or with musical instruments, or in a crisis situation, you may be surprised to see that they not only can get along but can become friends.
- onepointsixC 5y agoIf Iran has nuclear weapons, then its principal geopolitical rival, Saudi Arabia will want nuclear weapons. You have a proliferation risk that will greatly increase the risk of actual use of nuclear weapons.
- LightG 5y agoIf Israel has nuclear weapons, then its principal geopolitical rival, Iran will want nuclear weapons. You have a proliferation risk that will greatly increase the risk of actual use of nuclear weapons. /headagainstwall
- qtXJ9EM 5y agoMmm, believe the goal here is saving humanity.
- blunte 5y agoThat's the justification used for the thousands of drone strikes the US has performed in the last decade. I suspect depending on where you live, your definition of "goal" will be different.
- flyinglizard 5y agoThere is quite a bit of violence involved in preserving your free, liberal Western way of life.
- Jochim 5y agoYeah, schools and weddings are the true enemy of democracy.
- blunte 5y agoI don't believe anyone can prove how the violence has actually preserved my "liberal" western life. If you go to the "worst" territories with the worst regimes, you will find people surprisingly like us. They are individuals and families who care for each other, who work hard (or harder), and who don't wish anyone harm. What we have are power hungry people, often with financial agendas, at the controls of media and politics. That's not to say that some citizens don't get caught up in these false narratives and grab their pitchforks, but without the perpetual skewed influence, "normal" people tend to behave pretty decently.
- Aeolun 5y agoMuch easier to be human if you don’t run the risk of being turned into a smoking crater at a moments notice.
- s5300 5y agoIt's slightly less surprising when you remember that one of the most recent directors of the CIA & Secretary of State has stated that politics is “a never-ending struggle ... until the rapture.” Along with the fact that he and others of his political affiliation tout “good versus evil” battles, particularly centered over the “Holy Land” of the Middle East, are signs that the longed-for end may be at hand. For some of these people, ending humanity actually seems to be the goal. I'm mostly convinced at this point that they're letting corporations cause climate change so they can call it the rapture.