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> We have radars What if your strategic enemy secretly figured out how to evade detection? > also you have radiation. Ah, the lack of radiation explains it:

> We have radars What if your strategic enemy secretly figured out how to evade detection? > also you have radiation. Ah, the lack of radiation explains it: this city-killing explosion was the horrible work of a top-secret kinetic impactor weapons program developed by [insert strategic enemy here]! > how do you retaliate if you have no idea who attacked you? The same way the USA justified invading Iraq: lie. The inevitable blizzard of online disinformation wouldn't help things either.

Cthulhu_ 5y ago
> What if your strategic enemy secretly figured out how to evade detection? They probably already do; stealth tech is a thing, as are hypersonic long distance missiles. Plus submarines, to bring the nukes in real close, reducing response time.
- kadoban 5y ago
  Or just a suitcase bomb and person. (I'm sure there are _some_ detectors in ports and airports, but doubt they're infalible).
jjk166 5y ago
What's to stop these people from just nuking themselves and claim it was their strategic enemy's stealth strike? If people want to go to war, it doesn't make a lot of sense to wait around for an asteroid.
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  Are you asking "what is a false flag operation?" or "when did the USA last do this (that we know of, outside of conspiracy theories) ?". The Wikipedia article (1) answers the first, and the the second was 1964 (2). Obviously, less expensive means are typically used than "just nuking themselves". 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag 2) https://allthatsinteresting.com/gulf-of-tonkin https://allthatsinteresting.com/gulf-of-tonkin
  - jjk166 5y ago
    Neither, I am asking if you're going to do a false flag, why wait for an incredibly improbable scenario to use as pretext as opposed to just fabricating such a pretext? The whole point of the False Flag is the False part.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
      Typically you don't wait for an incredibly improbable scenario to use as pretext; but also if the unforeseen does happen, then it gets put to use. There's the saying "never let a crisis go to waste"
      - jjk166 5y ago
        But what are the odds that this asteroid is going to hit at exactly the moment you want to go to war, as opposed to too early when you are unprepared, or too late and the opportunity you're hoping to gain from the war is no longer available? Further, what happens when people start asking why China blew up Cleveland instead of some place more valuable? Or they ask why there was no build up to this attack? Or ask why your government did nothing to avert this? If you try to utilize a real disaster which you did not have foreknowledge of, you don't have time to carefully craft a story which stands up to basic scrutiny and run the serious risk of putting yourself in a worse position than you started with. Again, the whole point of a false flag is that you are choosing to make up something instead of relying on real life to justify what you want to do. You control the story, you can make it serve you however you like on your timetable. The saying "never let a crisis go to waste" is something that sounds smart and edgy so long as you don't think about it for more than 5 minutes.
        SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
        > But what are the odds that this asteroid What are the odd that _something_ useful happens? a lot higher than the odds of _this specific thing_ happening > The saying "never let a crisis go to waste" is something that sounds smart and edgy so long as you don't think about it for more than 5 minutes. shrug. It is what it is. I feel no slight from your criticism - If you think that this is my saying then you didn't even google it. Clearly, it has lasted longer than 5 minutes so far. If you're not interested, ok.

Cthulhu_ 5y ago

> What if your strategic enemy secretly figured out how to evade detection? They probably already do; stealth tech is a thing, as are hypersonic long distance missiles. Plus submarines, to bring the nukes in real close, reducing response time.

kadoban 5y ago
Or just a suitcase bomb and person. (I'm sure there are _some_ detectors in ports and airports, but doubt they're infalible).

jjk166 5y ago

What's to stop these people from just nuking themselves and claim it was their strategic enemy's stealth strike? If people want to go to war, it doesn't make a lot of sense to wait around for an asteroid.

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
Are you asking "what is a false flag operation?" or "when did the USA last do this (that we know of, outside of conspiracy theories) ?". The Wikipedia article (1) answers the first, and the the second was 1964 (2). Obviously, less expensive means are typically used than "just nuking themselves". 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag 2) https://allthatsinteresting.com/gulf-of-tonkin https://allthatsinteresting.com/gulf-of-tonkin
- jjk166 5y ago
  Neither, I am asking if you're going to do a false flag, why wait for an incredibly improbable scenario to use as pretext as opposed to just fabricating such a pretext? The whole point of the False Flag is the False part.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
    Typically you don't wait for an incredibly improbable scenario to use as pretext; but also if the unforeseen does happen, then it gets put to use. There's the saying "never let a crisis go to waste"
    - jjk166 5y ago
      But what are the odds that this asteroid is going to hit at exactly the moment you want to go to war, as opposed to too early when you are unprepared, or too late and the opportunity you're hoping to gain from the war is no longer available? Further, what happens when people start asking why China blew up Cleveland instead of some place more valuable? Or they ask why there was no build up to this attack? Or ask why your government did nothing to avert this? If you try to utilize a real disaster which you did not have foreknowledge of, you don't have time to carefully craft a story which stands up to basic scrutiny and run the serious risk of putting yourself in a worse position than you started with. Again, the whole point of a false flag is that you are choosing to make up something instead of relying on real life to justify what you want to do. You control the story, you can make it serve you however you like on your timetable. The saying "never let a crisis go to waste" is something that sounds smart and edgy so long as you don't think about it for more than 5 minutes.
      - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
        > But what are the odds that this asteroid What are the odd that _something_ useful happens? a lot higher than the odds of _this specific thing_ happening > The saying "never let a crisis go to waste" is something that sounds smart and edgy so long as you don't think about it for more than 5 minutes. shrug. It is what it is. I feel no slight from your criticism - If you think that this is my saying then you didn't even google it. Clearly, it has lasted longer than 5 minutes so far. If you're not interested, ok.