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This week on 4chan I learned of the volcano eruption and the Evergrande bankruptcy trouble before I found any mainstream coverage of either one. This is not an
by TechBro8615 5y ago
This week on 4chan I learned of the volcano eruption and the Evergrande bankruptcy trouble before I found any mainstream coverage of either one. This is not an abnormal occurrence with news stories, with similar patterns occurring even for Covid in Dec 2019.
Same goes for ZeroHedge, which is maybe one rung above 4chan in the information laundry cycle. Most stories like this seem to progress clearly through a spectrum of speed vs. noise. They emerge in high-speed, high-noise sources like 4chan, then tumble toward low-speed, low-noise sources. There are many sequences, but one common progression is 4chan > ZeroHedge > Federalist > Fox > CNN.
Sometimes it feels like the only way to understand the truth of a story is to observe this cycle from end to end. But it’s exhausting, and requires too much time.
I wonder if anyone is working on a solution to this. I would love a news app where users curate the news into “stories” with automated scrapers finding every related article and comments section. I want to view the story and trace it back to its origin without needing to observe it in real time. Give me a timeline, with automatically archived pages and screenshots.
- jareklupinski 5y agoi think there's too much money to be made in such an aggragator to release it to the public. if you can trace a tip back to 4chan and use that to beat the market...
- TechBro8615 5y agoWell that’s the thing. You can retrospectively trace the tip back after it’s become a story. But before then, you can’t really tell signal from the noise.
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- genericone 5y agoOn the other hand, I've noticed some channels on Youtube have been talking about the Evergrande collapse for multiple weeks.
- relativ575 5y ago> This week on 4chan I learned of the volcano eruption and the Evergrande bankruptcy trouble before I found any mainstream coverage of either one Perhaps that's true with generic mainstream media, but it's been on the news of business media for a while, for example this was on Bloomberg two weeks ago: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-05/clock-ticks-for-evergrande-as-7-4-billion-of-bonds-due-in-2022 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-05/clock-tic...
- donavanm 5y agoYoure just looking in the wrong place. Business and finance reporting has been covering the chinese property market, and commercial & consumer debt, for quite a while. The economist has had coverage of Evergrande every couple of weeks for months now https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Aeconomist.com+evergrande https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Aeconomist.com+evergrande
- kingofpandora 5y agoEvergrande has been in the "mainstream news" for weeks now; it's not something that you have to look hard for. Moreover, how many false positives are there in something like 4chan?
- clydethefrog 5y agoThere is a whole world of publications that fall in between the noisy online boards and big American news channels. The Economist, FT, nakedcapitalism, Yahoo Finance reported this.
- raxxorrax 5y ago> I wonder if anyone is working on a solution to this I think the solution is to read 4chan. Even if the conclusions are 100% wrong, the info is often raw in its form. No wonder media wants to kill that hacker. Problem is how news orgs get paid for journalism and recency of news is extremely important for an attention economy.