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For anyone wondering, this was supposed to be the release where Apple could scan your photos for child abuse. This was delayed for this release: https://www.tec
by BryanBeshore 5y ago
For anyone wondering, this was supposed to be the release where Apple could scan your photos for child abuse. This was delayed for this release: https://www.techradar.com/news/apple-delays-child-abuse-photo-scanning-planned-for-ios-15 https://www.techradar.com/news/apple-delays-child-abuse-phot...
- gruez 5y agoit's also worth noting that ios 14 is supposed to get security updates even after ios 15 is released, so if you care about that kind of stuff it's probably better not to upgrade. edit: more info in sibling comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28596442 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28596442
- iosquestion 5y agoI wonder if upgrading to iOS 15 will increase the chance of receiving this spyware when they do roll it out? I mean 15.X - 15.Y will likely occur automatically while the phone is connected to WiFi and charging.. but 14 to 15 should require user approval, meaning we should be safe as long as we never upgrade >14..?
- r00fus 5y agoI honestly doubt it. They will likely roll this out to both latest versions. I think they said as much.
- SllX 5y agoIf you look at it as reducing their liability for hosting CSAM, then more likely it’ll become a requirement at some point in order to upload your photos to iCloud at all, no matter which version of iOS you’re on.
- Someone1234 5y agoEither turn off automatic updates or don't. You're overanalyzing this.
- KennyBlanken 5y agoThey're not "overanalyzing" it. Turning off automatic updates means you miss security updates. Point upgrades are automatic, full versions aren't. Apple is clearly going to backdoor this in a 15.1 or 15.2 release, which means you then can't get any security updates and your only option is to go back to a backup of your device from iOS 14.
- jasamer 5y agoApple will allow you to stay on iOS 14 and still receive automatic security updates. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/09/psa-you-dont-have-to-upgrade-to-ios-15/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/09/psa-you-dont-have-to...
- Lamad123 5y agoI smashed the iphone I had into pieces, and I'm wondering what to do with my mac. Maybe install some linux or something, but I don't really know much about that! It'll take me a couple months of reading on it.. I am still using Mojave anyways.
- makerofthings 5y agoI think switching off automatic updates and running a few months behind is the safest plan. There are risks around not getting security updates as fast, but they are probably not large for any individual user. I’m hoping they’ll realise that they confused privacy and trust and get back on track soon enough.
- danudey 5y agoTurn off uploading photos to iCloud, and then if they start rolling it out, disable automatic updates.
- krrrh 5y agoOr just don't use iCloud photos since the local device scanning for CSAM is limited to the Photos app and only scans prior to upload to iCloud photo library which is easy to turn off. It's also not too difficult to have your unencrypted photos synced to Google Photos, Dropbox, One Drive or another provider as an alternative. They will scan your photos in the cloud which people on this site seem to have a vastly strong preference for. If you don't trust any of those then you're probably already using NextCloud or something like it.
- vorpalhex 5y ago> Or just don't use iCloud photos since the local device scanning for CSAM is limited to the Photos app and only scans prior to upload to iCloud photo For now. It will spread.
- beezischillin 5y agoConsidering that they got the algo reverse engineered from 14 (it is already in the code running on all those devices) there seems to be a possibility that a security update could bring it online on 14 as well. Just my speculation but it seems plausible.
- babesh 5y agoYes if you agree to iCloud terms as far as I can tell.
- simion314 5y agoDid they removed the code? commented it or defaulted it to off for now but the code is there and ready to scan.
- tmp_anon_22 5y agoI would assume no. People decompile binaries all the time and would likely catch it. It also could introduce dependencies and bugs that would require QA work and dev work.
- simion314 5y agoI mean they just announced it is delayed, didn't they had it enabled in Beta for testing? Could cause more problems if you remove it completely in a rush.
- KennyBlanken 5y agoRun an on-device scan against a hash database. Using a technology shown to have very frequent collisions. And then they notify law enforcement if they get a hit. Which means even if you're innocent - all your devices get confiscated for months, you probably rack up tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees, maybe lose your job, probably lose your friends and get the boot from any social organizations or groups. They're waiting for two things. One, CSAM to get out of the news cycle and the furor among users about CSAM to die down. This is standard corporate PR "emergency" management practice. Two, to slide it into a point release after some minor, inconsequential change to say they "listened to users." iPhones with auto-updates enabled won't automatically upgrade to a new major release, but they will happily automatically upgrade to a point release. You can of course upgrade to iOS 15 and turn off auto-updates, but then you won't get security updates, like the people staying on iOS 14. Stay on iOS 14 until Apple surrenders completely on this.
- Jtsummers 5y agoIf they get 30 (?) hits then they review the data and then they refer it to law enforcement if the reviewers determine that they were CSAM images. It's not for a single collision and it's not immediately referred to law enforcement. There are still major risks and concerns with this model, but at least describe it correctly.