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I can’t quite put my finger on what it is, but there’s something about this footage that suggests to me these birds are more intelligent than we are.

fogihujy 5y ago
I'm not sure your average raven is smarter than your average human, but Corvids are *very* intelligent. If they've figured out the drones drop food when attacked then they'll keep attacking, and teach others of their species to do it too.
- squarefoot 5y ago
  > but Corvids are very intelligent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZerUbHmuY04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZerUbHmuY04
  - monkeycantype 5y ago
    Were we live the (australian) ravens move in in spring to raise their babies, they'll be here soon. There's something extraordinary about the way they look at you. It says : 'yeah we see each other. don't make me come down and smack you'
  - sydthrowaway 5y ago
    What the hell? This is magic. Can reinforcement learning do THIS?
- kragen 5y ago
  Average ravens know how to make tools out of wire and how to drop rocks into a bottle to raise the level of its water so they can drink it. I think that's more than your average human can do.
  - fogihujy 5y ago
    A human would be quite capable of constructing a tool out of wire. Humans figured out water displacement too, and ravens have culture and pass their knowledge on to their young just like we do. The interesting thing isn't exact measurements of intelligence, though, but rather the fact that intelligence has developed independently. We know that we and our fellow primates are amongst the smartest animals on the planet. The thing about ravens is that they prove we're not the only ones.
    - kragen 5y ago
      I think you're giving the humans far too much credit. Some humans, and most larval humans, are capable of doing that kind of thing. Most of them just imitate. After puberty, almost all of them just repeat their previously acquired behaviors except when imitating. Instead of reasoning, they just rehearse past memories and fictional scenarios, unable to distinguish reality from fiction. Most of them can't remember what they ate for lunch yesterday or the license plate of the car that passed two minutes ago. They engage in complex verbal behavior that's ultimately incoherent, to the point that often even severe senile dementia in a human goes undiagnosed until its victim is in a new situation where their previous mindless habits no longer apply.
  - valvar 5y ago
    If you're joking, do be aware that it's not very obvious.
    - samhw 5y ago
      They aren't joking, based on their later comments. This "humans are stupid" trope is quite common. It usually becomes clear that it originates from thinly-concealed classism: "People like me can solve differential equations, but most people just sit around watching TV and playing the lottery. No, I haven't met those people, but I know that's all they do."
      - kragen 5y ago
        Oh, no, I wish I could except myself from these comments, but I can stupid right up there with the stupidest of them. In fact, right at this moment I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday. And I'm talking to you. If I were sitting around watching TV, as I was doing a few hours ago, that would at least be pleasant and therefore somewhat rational.
        samhw 5y ago
        I applaud your adroitness at self-deprecation, but I think it's pretty implicit in your comments that you hold yourself above other people, or else you logically should be simply imitating their views: > I think you're giving the humans far too much credit. Some humans, and most larval humans, are capable of doing that kind of thing. Most of them just imitate. After puberty, almost all of them just repeat their previously acquired behaviors except when imitating. Instead of reasoning, they just rehearse past memories and fictional scenarios, unable to distinguish reality from fiction. Most of them can't remember what they ate for lunch yesterday or the license plate of the car that passed two minutes ago. They engage in complex verbal behavior that's ultimately incoherent, to the point that often even severe senile dementia in a human goes undiagnosed until its victim is in a new situation where their previous mindless habits no longer apply.
        5y ago
Cthulhu_ 5y ago
They're smart, sure, but nowhere near as intelligent as we are, and I'm not sure why you're pushing this narrative. It's really downplaying yourself.
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fogihujy 5y ago

I'm not sure your average raven is smarter than your average human, but Corvids are *very* intelligent. If they've figured out the drones drop food when attacked then they'll keep attacking, and teach others of their species to do it too.

squarefoot 5y ago
> but Corvids are very intelligent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZerUbHmuY04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZerUbHmuY04
- monkeycantype 5y ago
  Were we live the (australian) ravens move in in spring to raise their babies, they'll be here soon. There's something extraordinary about the way they look at you. It says : 'yeah we see each other. don't make me come down and smack you'
- sydthrowaway 5y ago
  What the hell? This is magic. Can reinforcement learning do THIS?
kragen 5y ago
Average ravens know how to make tools out of wire and how to drop rocks into a bottle to raise the level of its water so they can drink it. I think that's more than your average human can do.
- fogihujy 5y ago
  A human would be quite capable of constructing a tool out of wire. Humans figured out water displacement too, and ravens have culture and pass their knowledge on to their young just like we do. The interesting thing isn't exact measurements of intelligence, though, but rather the fact that intelligence has developed independently. We know that we and our fellow primates are amongst the smartest animals on the planet. The thing about ravens is that they prove we're not the only ones.
  - kragen 5y ago
    I think you're giving the humans far too much credit. Some humans, and most larval humans, are capable of doing that kind of thing. Most of them just imitate. After puberty, almost all of them just repeat their previously acquired behaviors except when imitating. Instead of reasoning, they just rehearse past memories and fictional scenarios, unable to distinguish reality from fiction. Most of them can't remember what they ate for lunch yesterday or the license plate of the car that passed two minutes ago. They engage in complex verbal behavior that's ultimately incoherent, to the point that often even severe senile dementia in a human goes undiagnosed until its victim is in a new situation where their previous mindless habits no longer apply.
- valvar 5y ago
  If you're joking, do be aware that it's not very obvious.
  - samhw 5y ago
    They aren't joking, based on their later comments. This "humans are stupid" trope is quite common. It usually becomes clear that it originates from thinly-concealed classism: "People like me can solve differential equations, but most people just sit around watching TV and playing the lottery. No, I haven't met those people, but I know that's all they do."
    - kragen 5y ago
      Oh, no, I wish I could except myself from these comments, but I can stupid right up there with the stupidest of them. In fact, right at this moment I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday. And I'm talking to you. If I were sitting around watching TV, as I was doing a few hours ago, that would at least be pleasant and therefore somewhat rational.
      - samhw 5y ago
        I applaud your adroitness at self-deprecation, but I think it's pretty implicit in your comments that you hold yourself above other people, or else you logically should be simply imitating their views: > I think you're giving the humans far too much credit. Some humans, and most larval humans, are capable of doing that kind of thing. Most of them just imitate. After puberty, almost all of them just repeat their previously acquired behaviors except when imitating. Instead of reasoning, they just rehearse past memories and fictional scenarios, unable to distinguish reality from fiction. Most of them can't remember what they ate for lunch yesterday or the license plate of the car that passed two minutes ago. They engage in complex verbal behavior that's ultimately incoherent, to the point that often even severe senile dementia in a human goes undiagnosed until its victim is in a new situation where their previous mindless habits no longer apply.
        5y ago

Cthulhu_ 5y ago

They're smart, sure, but nowhere near as intelligent as we are, and I'm not sure why you're pushing this narrative. It's really downplaying yourself.

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