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If you can admit the discourse around Ivermectin is confused, then perhaps you can see why some arrive at the wrong conclusion with respect to mRNA vaccines. I

If you can admit the discourse around Ivermectin is confused, then perhaps you can see why some arrive at the wrong conclusion with respect to mRNA vaccines. Is it possible that some are not as equipped as you are to discern the signal within the noise? Is it possible you are incorrect about one or more of your heterodox opinions? The type of sneering you're engaging in is unbelievably counterproductive. Uncivilized, even.

civilized 5y ago
I wouldn't tell my aunt that it's idiotic to blindly believe spike protein sheds from the vaccinated and harms people, or that VAERS has recorded thousands of vaccine-caused deaths, because she read it on FB. But I do think it's idiotic to believe that, and every once in a while I'm going to say so. It's not just some innocent difficulty with finding the signal in the noise. It's sentimental, ideological delusion, and it's rotten to the core. And deep down, I believe many of them do know better, even if they stopped caring years ago. I won't pointlessly anger them by saying so to their faces, but I also won't patronize them by pretending otherwise.
- chitowneats 5y ago
  Most people I know would say it's idiotic to use "horse paste" as an early prophylactic against covid, despite how much context such a statement obscures. You are making a mistake generalizing the case of your aunt to the rest of society. You come off as quite emotional about it, frankly. Sure, maybe you can psychoanalyze her accurately given your close relation. It's not helping your argument in a public setting like HN.
  - civilized 5y ago
    Ivermectin is safe in humans, and it isn't difficult to find that out. I'm ignoring your speculation about me and plan to continue to do so, so let's not bore each other.
    - chitowneats 5y ago
      Ivermectin is safe. It's an anti-parasitic, not an anti-viral. Is it effective against covid? There are very smart people out there who have serious concerns with the primary study Ivermectin proponents point to showing effectiveness against this virus. In all fairness, my entire qualm with you is the way you've needlessly personalized this discussion. We could have discussed the issues at hand directly. Alas.
      - civilized 5y ago
        Look at 1/6. Look at how people can be spun up into a frenzy based on bullshit. It's not innocent. And it's not just Trump (or the right). Look around, you'll start to see it. If it makes you upset to hear that, then I've touched a nerve you needed to know you had.
      - ipaddr 5y ago
        What I have never understood is if you don't want the vaccine because the long term studies are due in 2023 what subset of this group is pro Ivermectin? Ivermectin used on humans is a new area with fewer studies.
        Mountain_Skies 5y ago
        No. Ivermectin use is humans is very well understood and has been for quite some time. What isn't well understood is what is the level of effectiveness of Ivermectin in preventing the spread of covid and treating the symptoms of the disease. It's an absolutely ridiculous statement to say Ivermectin in humans is not well studied. Whoever told you that had an agenda and you should be very skeptical of anything else they tell you. There is no equivalence in uncertainty between Ivermectin and the mRNA covid treatments.
        a_conservative 5y ago
        Billions of doses of Ivermectin have been taken by humans. https://www.merck.com/stories/mectizan/ https://www.merck.com/stories/mectizan/
    - 5y ago

civilized 5y ago

I wouldn't tell my aunt that it's idiotic to blindly believe spike protein sheds from the vaccinated and harms people, or that VAERS has recorded thousands of vaccine-caused deaths, because she read it on FB. But I do think it's idiotic to believe that, and every once in a while I'm going to say so. It's not just some innocent difficulty with finding the signal in the noise. It's sentimental, ideological delusion, and it's rotten to the core. And deep down, I believe many of them do know better, even if they stopped caring years ago. I won't pointlessly anger them by saying so to their faces, but I also won't patronize them by pretending otherwise.

chitowneats 5y ago
Most people I know would say it's idiotic to use "horse paste" as an early prophylactic against covid, despite how much context such a statement obscures. You are making a mistake generalizing the case of your aunt to the rest of society. You come off as quite emotional about it, frankly. Sure, maybe you can psychoanalyze her accurately given your close relation. It's not helping your argument in a public setting like HN.
- civilized 5y ago
  Ivermectin is safe in humans, and it isn't difficult to find that out. I'm ignoring your speculation about me and plan to continue to do so, so let's not bore each other.
  - chitowneats 5y ago
    Ivermectin is safe. It's an anti-parasitic, not an anti-viral. Is it effective against covid? There are very smart people out there who have serious concerns with the primary study Ivermectin proponents point to showing effectiveness against this virus. In all fairness, my entire qualm with you is the way you've needlessly personalized this discussion. We could have discussed the issues at hand directly. Alas.
    - civilized 5y ago
      Look at 1/6. Look at how people can be spun up into a frenzy based on bullshit. It's not innocent. And it's not just Trump (or the right). Look around, you'll start to see it. If it makes you upset to hear that, then I've touched a nerve you needed to know you had.
    - ipaddr 5y ago
      What I have never understood is if you don't want the vaccine because the long term studies are due in 2023 what subset of this group is pro Ivermectin? Ivermectin used on humans is a new area with fewer studies.
      - Mountain_Skies 5y ago
        No. Ivermectin use is humans is very well understood and has been for quite some time. What isn't well understood is what is the level of effectiveness of Ivermectin in preventing the spread of covid and treating the symptoms of the disease. It's an absolutely ridiculous statement to say Ivermectin in humans is not well studied. Whoever told you that had an agenda and you should be very skeptical of anything else they tell you. There is no equivalence in uncertainty between Ivermectin and the mRNA covid treatments.
      - a_conservative 5y ago
        Billions of doses of Ivermectin have been taken by humans. https://www.merck.com/stories/mectizan/ https://www.merck.com/stories/mectizan/
  - 5y ago