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Tribler: Search and download torrents with less worries or censorship
- rektide 5y agoTribler is O.G. legit. Created in 2005 originally as a part of a research paper- I believe- around trying to create "fairer" allocation of bandwidth in BitTorrent (itself from 2001). Words like "incentivization" and "reptuation" dot their work for many years. Tribler has continued to be one of the most leading edge pieces of p2p software on the planet. It went on to pioneer p2p search, streaming partially completed videos, live-streaming, a range of privacy/security enhancements, tagging, moderation. In 2012 they dubbed their efforts "4th Generation P2P", encompassing a couple of these goals, many of which were already underway. I believe they've succeeded on all these fronts, & have only continued pushing further since. https://www.tribler.org/4thGenerationP2P/ https://www.tribler.org/4thGenerationP2P/ The team has been up to ongoing cutting edge research for a long time. Their ability to create p2p search is, still, basically unparalleled in this world.
- omasque 5y agoNice try, Steve Tribler
- srgpqt 5y agoAstroturfing a wee bit too much there.
- rektide 5y agono affiliation, not the submitter nor affiliated with them, just an old & ongoing fan.
- omasque 5y agoJust kidding, this was actually a really informative comment that's prompted me to go and have a proper look, appreciate you taking the time.
- dang 5y agoYou broke the site guidelines badly with this. If you'd please review them and stick to the rules in the future, we'd be grateful. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 5y agoIIRC someone from the Tribler team regularly comments on HN. His comments on p2p are usually interesting.
- synctext 5y agoTribler founder here, great to see people still care about cute old P2P file sharing. My lab has been trying to get sharing, searching, and crowdsourcing to scale towards millions for 16 years now. The fundamental science is making progress to re-decentralise The Internet. Decades of work left obviously. Lots of progress on creating non-profit versions of all of Big Tech services (well in principle that is). Even Amazon can be decentralised, see a recent phd thesis from the lab, https://repository.tudelft.nl/islandora/object/uuid%3Aa4f750b6-5ac5-4709-80c5-71eb71ac7b35 https://repository.tudelft.nl/islandora/object/uuid%3Aa4f750... European Commission might come in and allow open source clients of Facebook, instagram, Twitter, Amazon, etc. Our trustchain technology is specifically designed to be the superstructure for this. So EU might break down the defensive moats around 10 T$ of market cap. The legal foundation is already there, the new eIDAS Regulation is designed to _enforce_ login using the upcoming EU digital passport for all of Big Tech. So Open Source EU Metaverse, connecting all Big Tech protocols into a single repo and identity management solution with true privacy protection..
- rektide 5y ago> The legal foundation is already there, the new eIDAS Regulation is designed to _enforce_ login using the upcoming EU digital passport for all of Big Tech. So Open Source EU Metaverse, connecting all Big Tech protocols into a single repo and identity management solution with true privacy protection.. Legally mandating a single user-identity system seems like the worst possible scenario I ever could have imagined for cyberspace. Imagining trusting such a system is enormously difficult. But more so, to let the mold set on cyerspace, to create a single way the internet has to work, & deny new frontiers, new possibilities, new creativities... that seems monstrous. Beyond imagining. I do like the idea of the possibility of interop.
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- marcodiego 5y agoTried it from source. I had to install the following with pip3: - yappi - pydantic - Faker - sentry-sdk Its search works. Gives a nice nostalgic feeling of old p2p software. Definitely should be more popular.
- aleph- 5y agoI am curious what type of data they're sending to sentry? Could be some leakage there, don't think sentry does PII scrubbing of any kind either iirc.
- zacmps 5y agoIt tries to scrub passwords and secret keys based on some text filters by default, but it can be configured to scrub arbitrary data (via a hook in the sdk).
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- junon 5y agoThe use of sentry is a huge red flag here...
- synctext 5y agoCrashes are optionally reported to Github for fixing. What could we use instead of Sentry to understand bugs and causes? - Tribler team
- junon 5y agoDefine "optionally", please.
- synctext 5y agoCrash reporter uses sentry. We don't want to know anything else about our users. When Tribler crashes the core dump (e.g. Python TraceBack) can be inserted as a Github issue, using Sentry. Requires the user to opt-in by clicking "send" on crash reporter.
- sergiotapia 5y agoCan someone use this to download a lot of LINUX ISOS safely and avoid having to pay for a VPN or seedbox?
- ghostly_s 5y agowhat is unsafe about downloading Linux ISOs over BT currently?
- walterbell 5y agoAs a new downloader of Linux ISOs, please start an FAQ when you find the answer.
- no_time 5y agoNothing. Copyright enforcement bootlickers briefly join the swarm to grab all the IPs and thats it. They (in theory) only have claims on hashes they are payrolled to monitor. Also they need the tracker to cooperate so that rules out private sites with a competent opsec. Edit: the moment I hit send I realized I fell for a common innuendo. Feeling a bit dumb now.
- jancsika 5y ago> Tribler follows the Tor wire protocol specification and hidden services spec quite closely, but is enhanced to need no central (directory) server. If Tribler has no central directory server then how does Tribler route around suspicious/malicious relays? Edit: Also-- has Tribler passed the Scihub Test yet[1]? 1: test to probe whether Scihub is currently being served over a proposed privacy overlay.
- mlinksva 5y ago> Scihub Test Did you just coin that? Well done. Quick web and HN search, nearest I could find is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27805134 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27805134
- synctext 5y agoScihub test :-) Note our scientific progress towards "The Global Brain" https://github.com/Tribler/tribler/issues/3615#issuecomment-787913513 https://github.com/Tribler/tribler/issues/3615#issuecomment-... Specifically designed to improving science -Tribler team
- jancsika 5y agoSo: currently failing the Sci-hub test, but already planning work in the direction of passing it. That sounds promising to me. But what about the issue of filtering out malicious relays? How do you achieve that without a centralized directory server?
- synctext 5y agoMalicious relays have the option to give you bogus content or real content. The block-level hashes of Bittorrent prevent anything bad getting through. So just avoid relays which are not giving you good blocks. At another level, if relaying as honest, but curious (e.g. spying) you need to randomly select several relays and use them all in a long relay path. Pioneered by Tor team, results in excessive bandwidth usage.
- squarefoot 5y agoVery interesting. On Debian the Ubuntu .deb package installs fine without asking for other dependencies. I wonder if it could be split into a core+GUI pair for those of us who like to have p2p software run on small boxes (RasPI, other ARM boards, etc). I'm so used to run Transmission as a service on my NAS then use the GUI interface from PCs when they're turned on, which is extremely convenient.
- synctext 5y agoYes, there is a core+GUI split. Docs REST api: https://tribler.readthedocs.io/en/latest/restapi/introduction.html# https://tribler.readthedocs.io/en/latest/restapi/introductio... Search and all features are exposed there: https://tribler.readthedocs.io/en/latest/restapi/search.html https://tribler.readthedocs.io/en/latest/restapi/search.html
- Haemm0r 5y agoCurrently no webinterface is available.
- Barrin92 5y agoThere's a pretty big caveat in the anonymity section on the website about seeding by default not being anonymous (although there is an option for hidden seeding as well which apparently slows speeds quite a bit) but that aside, does this mean that downloading is by default anonymous to ISPs? That's pretty big, weird that I've never seen this before.
- fnord77 5y agoseeding is the big risk from lawyers, right? weird that hidden seeding is not the default
- Haemm0r 5y agoSeeding is anonymous by default afaik. However the integrated search is not,so your ISP could know what you are searching for. So you would need to get your magnetlinks over e.g. TOR an add them manually to stay anonymous.
- 1MachineElf 5y agoName reminds me of the retro-styled Illumos distro Tribblix: http://www.tribblix.org/ http://www.tribblix.org/
- parsecs 5y agoUsing this opportunity to ask - has anyone here used torrentpanda before? Imo it was the best torrent search site with a big database of crawled torrents. They seem to have disappeared a few months ago and I haven't found any working domains so far. The old site is torrentpanda.org but going to it now gives error page and redirects to softcore porn.
- 0-_-0 5y agoWas it a DHT crawler based engine? The best one I know of is btdig (written in Erlang): https://github.com/btdig https://github.com/btdig
- password4321 5y agohttps://github.com/urbanguacamole/torrent-paradise https://github.com/urbanguacamole/torrent-paradise -> https://torrent-paradise.ml/ https://torrent-paradise.ml/ My top recommendation these days.
- parsecs 5y agoHoly crap, thank you. Just the stuff I'm looking for! I'm once again amazed by you folks on HN.
- fsflover 5y agoIf you want to not worry about censorship at all, consider using torrents in i2p: https://geti2p.net https://geti2p.net
- antocv 5y agoTribler is a honeypot at best. The papers it was based on was below high-school quality.
- rand846633 5y agoDon’t you owe it the audience her to back up your claims with facts or at least details?
- debarshri 5y agoI know the guys from TU delft who worked on it ( parallel and distributed systems group). It is one of respected groups in CS in Netherlands. With your comment you are actually insulting people who have worked for years on this. With your one-liner you are discrediting many thesis, hard work, without any credentials or proof from your side.
- krageon 5y ago> With your comment you are actually insulting people It's not a personal insult to say a paper that someone produced was of poor quality (I don't know whether or not it was, I have not read it). Someone can produce something bad without it saying anything about their character.
- debarshri 5y agoYou can find it here [1]. I am not talking personal insults either. It is insulting their work and profession. Producing paper is their work. Producing paper and delivering a project that makes an impact is rare and should be appreciated. It is like you have a successful opensource project and somebody says you are a really bad programmer without any context. [1] https://research.tudelft.nl/en/publications/tribler-a-social-based-peer-to-peer-system https://research.tudelft.nl/en/publications/tribler-a-social...
- zibzab 5y agoWell, i wish my high-school reports were scopus indexed with almost 200 citations. Jokes aside, the Wiley link is dead which is kind of funny, given the scihub talk above
- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 5y agoI am old enough to remember when all torrenting was decentralized (edonkey, imesh, napster and million others). Then, all of a sudden, everyone switched to torrents, that rely on [centralized] web sites for search. I guess convenience always beats privacy.
- nathanlied 5y agoIt doesn't (strictly) need to have centralized search; you can passively collect info from the DHT swarm and build up an index over time of torrents people are sharing. It's not as convenient as something like napster or the like, but we've also got this draft <http://bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0051.html http://bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0051.html> to make it a bit better.
- mrmuagi 5y ago> you can passively collect info from the DHT swarm and build up an index over time For anyone wanting to pursue this, I feel like I can share, I used this recently https://github.com/boramalper/magnetico https://github.com/boramalper/magnetico, people share database dumps regularly. I found ~4 DB dumps and merging scripts are all you need to get up and running.
- whatever1 5y agoBecause we needed curation. Very large proportion of the p2p content was viruses/malware etc or fake (you thought you were downloading A, but in fact you were downloading B). With links in centralized websites and fora we at least had a little more confidence on the safety/quality of the content.
- synctext 5y agothis. To make decentralised search work you need to solve the trust problem. Strangers sharing content with you without spam, decoys, and malware. You need to create trust without any central coordinator. Crawling the DHT for content is not going to get you Google-quality search. The Tribler lab is working on the web-of-trust problem and decentralised (ledger) accounting since pre-Bitcoin days. Its a stubborn problem. But we're making consistent progress. Latest peer-reviewed science: https://www.ifaamas.org/Proceedings/aamas2021/pdfs/p1263.pdf https://www.ifaamas.org/Proceedings/aamas2021/pdfs/p1263.pdf -Tribler team