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You have to go out of your way to find abusive media on freenet. There are many top lists of freesites and they are censored of abusive media. I recommend FMS

You have to go out of your way to find abusive media on freenet. There are many top lists of freesites and they are censored of abusive media. I recommend FMS the freenet messaging system which uses web of trust successfully to moderate messages in a Usenet forum.

azalemeth 5y ago
Out of curiosity, what sort of things are on freenet? Is it worth installing it in a Tails VM?
- cgtzczykldpq 5y ago
  Freenet's default feature is HTML sites - just like the regular web but fully hosted on Freenet and only accessible through it. The content of those sites is whatever their authors want it to be :) Further, dynamic applications such as forums are also available. Here's a list of apps built on top of Freenet: https://github.com/freenet/wiki/wiki/Projects https://github.com/freenet/wiki/wiki/Projects Freenet needs UDP so it likely won't work on Tails as Tails tunnels everything through Tor - which does not support UDP AFAIK.
  - bleachedsleet 5y ago
    Freenet can be run through Tor using Onioncat as a virtual network. [0] [0] https://bluishcoder.co.nz/2016/08/18/using-freenet-over-tor.html https://bluishcoder.co.nz/2016/08/18/using-freenet-over-tor....
    - cgtzczykldpq 5y ago
      If I read this correctly it implies that Freenet's opennet does not work anymore? So you can only connect to Freenet with this setup if you already know someone else who uses Freenet and peer with them manually ("darknet").
  - JohnHaugeland 5y ago
    > Freenet's default feature is bad developers that make excuses for a network that won't stop the delivery of child pornography by hiding behind false ethical arguments
  - JohnHaugeland 5y ago
    > The content of those sites is whatever their authors want it to be :) A network vending child pornography should not be happy about this. This should be a terrifying warning to you. Unfortunately you don't see it as a genuine problem, so you explain it away.
    - meinheld111 5y ago
      for a society to have freedom of speech there absolutely has to be a „safe“ way to host csam.
- kafkaIncarnate 5y ago
  Freenet requires your hard drive to allocate ~2GB of raw space of encrypted unknown data that basically makes your machine a "node" in the network. Whatever is in that cache you will never be able to know, as it's encrypted in a way that querying is based on encrypted hops and an associated TTL like feature. It's incredibly slow (think Tor over Tor over Tor), and needs to be run for 1-2 weeks to even work mildly. Tails would not be an ideal choice, a dedicated space is necessary. There's no real reason to use Tor to connect to Freenet anyway, as it's encrypted in a way that the network traffic cannot be known nor even the content on your machine by yourself unless you know the private key which serves as a link to the content you are trying to locate, and it eventually will sync up those keys with your local storage. You don't even know the public key of the content that is stored in this local cache. If you've seen Silicon Valley, this is the idea that likely founded "the Platform" concept, but they add a bit of magic and speed to the concept for the show. When your content is published, it's published "everywhere and nowhere". If you publish something, then destroy your node, that content will stay in many nodes and still be accessible. This information gets kept or cleared out based on how often it is being queried.
  - ArneBab 5y ago
    "It's incredibly slow" — I’m seeing Freenet stream video nowadays. Not HD video, but video. Latency is typically high, but the browsing experience is pretty good.
- adrianN 5y ago
  Check with your local laws whether you expose yourself to the risk of a friendly 2am visit by the police for hosting illegal content.
- ArneBab 5y ago
  What I see are mostly opinion blogs (lots of technical and political stuff), forums and some media-sites. The most recent pretty unique site I saw was a mario64 fansite.
ta988 5y ago
I am glad it evolved a bit, it used to host a lot of child porn, nazi/fascist material etc And clearly you would be exposed to it through messages or not well annotated index.
- ogurechny 5y ago
  This is interesting, I don't remember seeing more than trace amounts of “nazi/fascist material” there at all. Sure, someone has probably thought that the world needs another copy of Mein Kampf, or has had a real important story of how Jews did 9/11, and maybe these freesites are still (partially) available after a decade or so (I am not at all bothered to check, to be honest), but general amount of such loonies has definitely been at the usual level of any decently sized internet community. As for Freenet forum systems, I can only remember a prolific Frost spammer who was either a persistent troll, or a mentally ill person, neither of which is unfamiliar to experienced internet users. It seems to me that some mental inertia has made you continue the list of “offensive content” with “nazi/fascist material, etc.” after you've mentioned “child porn”. What I don't understand is the word “exposed”. Let's take Mein Kampf, for example. I am sure have hit upon it on the internet multiple times over the years. I am sure anyone can find its text in no time, even if their native country banned it. Still it never occurred to me to start reading it. It would really be a joke, and I have nearly endless list of better things to read. I guess I was “exposed” to Mein Kampf, so what?
  - fwip 5y ago
    I don't think "a copy of Mein Kampf" is the Nazi stuff they're talking about.
    - ta988 5y ago
      No I talk about neonazi stuff. Not books that nowadays are more part of history than anything else.
  - kafkaIncarnate 5y ago
    More like pictures of modern child abuse, child slavery (IE: ownership, sale, etc), and brutal torturous murder. Basically anything you've thought of the NSA or other intelligence agencies intercepting, it was wide out in the open there. The types of things you'd see kids telling themselves about urban legends of the "darkweb", well, it was extremely real and in the open on Freenet...

azalemeth 5y ago

Out of curiosity, what sort of things are on freenet? Is it worth installing it in a Tails VM?

cgtzczykldpq 5y ago
Freenet's default feature is HTML sites - just like the regular web but fully hosted on Freenet and only accessible through it. The content of those sites is whatever their authors want it to be :) Further, dynamic applications such as forums are also available. Here's a list of apps built on top of Freenet: https://github.com/freenet/wiki/wiki/Projects https://github.com/freenet/wiki/wiki/Projects Freenet needs UDP so it likely won't work on Tails as Tails tunnels everything through Tor - which does not support UDP AFAIK.
- bleachedsleet 5y ago
  Freenet can be run through Tor using Onioncat as a virtual network. [0] [0] https://bluishcoder.co.nz/2016/08/18/using-freenet-over-tor.html https://bluishcoder.co.nz/2016/08/18/using-freenet-over-tor....
  - cgtzczykldpq 5y ago
    If I read this correctly it implies that Freenet's opennet does not work anymore? So you can only connect to Freenet with this setup if you already know someone else who uses Freenet and peer with them manually ("darknet").
- JohnHaugeland 5y ago
  > Freenet's default feature is bad developers that make excuses for a network that won't stop the delivery of child pornography by hiding behind false ethical arguments
- JohnHaugeland 5y ago
  > The content of those sites is whatever their authors want it to be :) A network vending child pornography should not be happy about this. This should be a terrifying warning to you. Unfortunately you don't see it as a genuine problem, so you explain it away.
  - meinheld111 5y ago
    for a society to have freedom of speech there absolutely has to be a „safe“ way to host csam.
kafkaIncarnate 5y ago
Freenet requires your hard drive to allocate ~2GB of raw space of encrypted unknown data that basically makes your machine a "node" in the network. Whatever is in that cache you will never be able to know, as it's encrypted in a way that querying is based on encrypted hops and an associated TTL like feature. It's incredibly slow (think Tor over Tor over Tor), and needs to be run for 1-2 weeks to even work mildly. Tails would not be an ideal choice, a dedicated space is necessary. There's no real reason to use Tor to connect to Freenet anyway, as it's encrypted in a way that the network traffic cannot be known nor even the content on your machine by yourself unless you know the private key which serves as a link to the content you are trying to locate, and it eventually will sync up those keys with your local storage. You don't even know the public key of the content that is stored in this local cache. If you've seen Silicon Valley, this is the idea that likely founded "the Platform" concept, but they add a bit of magic and speed to the concept for the show. When your content is published, it's published "everywhere and nowhere". If you publish something, then destroy your node, that content will stay in many nodes and still be accessible. This information gets kept or cleared out based on how often it is being queried.
- ArneBab 5y ago
  "It's incredibly slow" — I’m seeing Freenet stream video nowadays. Not HD video, but video. Latency is typically high, but the browsing experience is pretty good.
adrianN 5y ago
Check with your local laws whether you expose yourself to the risk of a friendly 2am visit by the police for hosting illegal content.
ArneBab 5y ago
What I see are mostly opinion blogs (lots of technical and political stuff), forums and some media-sites. The most recent pretty unique site I saw was a mario64 fansite.

ta988 5y ago

I am glad it evolved a bit, it used to host a lot of child porn, nazi/fascist material etc And clearly you would be exposed to it through messages or not well annotated index.

ogurechny 5y ago
This is interesting, I don't remember seeing more than trace amounts of “nazi/fascist material” there at all. Sure, someone has probably thought that the world needs another copy of Mein Kampf, or has had a real important story of how Jews did 9/11, and maybe these freesites are still (partially) available after a decade or so (I am not at all bothered to check, to be honest), but general amount of such loonies has definitely been at the usual level of any decently sized internet community. As for Freenet forum systems, I can only remember a prolific Frost spammer who was either a persistent troll, or a mentally ill person, neither of which is unfamiliar to experienced internet users. It seems to me that some mental inertia has made you continue the list of “offensive content” with “nazi/fascist material, etc.” after you've mentioned “child porn”. What I don't understand is the word “exposed”. Let's take Mein Kampf, for example. I am sure have hit upon it on the internet multiple times over the years. I am sure anyone can find its text in no time, even if their native country banned it. Still it never occurred to me to start reading it. It would really be a joke, and I have nearly endless list of better things to read. I guess I was “exposed” to Mein Kampf, so what?
- fwip 5y ago
  I don't think "a copy of Mein Kampf" is the Nazi stuff they're talking about.
  - ta988 5y ago
    No I talk about neonazi stuff. Not books that nowadays are more part of history than anything else.
- kafkaIncarnate 5y ago
  More like pictures of modern child abuse, child slavery (IE: ownership, sale, etc), and brutal torturous murder. Basically anything you've thought of the NSA or other intelligence agencies intercepting, it was wide out in the open there. The types of things you'd see kids telling themselves about urban legends of the "darkweb", well, it was extremely real and in the open on Freenet...