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My understanding is that: -- i2p was originally a fork of freenet -- Freenet was designed and conceived as a datastore, fist and foremost, whereas i2p using '

My understanding is that: -- i2p was originally a fork of freenet -- Freenet was designed and conceived as a datastore, fist and foremost, whereas i2p using 'garlic routing' was apt for any IP protocol proxied over it (a bit like tor) -- Freenet therefore is more efficient and distributing popular data -- There are some concerns about the algoirthms behind freenet's anonymity, which i2p claims [1] are troublesome. -- Incidentally, I have heard complaints about the crypto behind i2p, but I am not expert in this area enough to comment. My understanding is that the consensus is that "tor r is better", but note you can e.g. run freenet over tor if desired. I played with both as a curious teenager around the time they were released. I am now largely terrified to, because of the prospect of accidentally finding CSAM, which I suspect is very high on both platforms. [1] https://geti2p.net/en/comparison/freenet https://geti2p.net/en/comparison/freenet

not_m_anissimov 5y ago
You're not likely to find child porn on Tor anymore unless you go looking for it. It's there, because Tor is much bigger than Freenet and I2P, but it's out the way. The hidden wikis were all cleaned up years ago. I bet the drug marketplaces thought it was bad for business to be listed alongside that sort of thing. Freenet is the same as it ever was. I don't think you could play around on there and not find that stuff. Dunno what's going on on I2P these days.
- sanity31415 5y ago
  > Freenet is the same as it ever was. I don't think you could play around on there and not find that stuff. Dunno what's going on on I2P these days. You're very unlikely to find it unless you're looking for it, none of the default indexes allow it.
wongarsu 5y ago
> I am now largely terrified to, because of the prospect of accidentally finding CSAM, which I suspect is very high on both platforms. Chilling effects in a nutshell.
- amelius 5y ago
  It's in Bitcoin's blockchain too: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47130268 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47130268
  - ikt 5y ago
    that's bitcoin sv which is not bitcoin
    - kafkaIncarnate 5y ago
      The principle remains, which makes it possible for anyone to do on any blockchain really. Encoding an image into the message of a transaction (or spanned over multiple transactions) should be fairly straightforward even with a simple bitcoin wallet. You should be able to make a CSAM NFT on Ethereum that nobody can expunge, as well.
ArneBab 5y ago
To find CSAM on Freenet nowadays you have to go out of your way to search for it. All the default index pages (entry points) filter out content that is illegal by itself (as CSAM is), and if you talk about that in FMS or Sone you’ll quickly find your pseudonym blocked by most accounts.

not_m_anissimov 5y ago

You're not likely to find child porn on Tor anymore unless you go looking for it. It's there, because Tor is much bigger than Freenet and I2P, but it's out the way. The hidden wikis were all cleaned up years ago. I bet the drug marketplaces thought it was bad for business to be listed alongside that sort of thing. Freenet is the same as it ever was. I don't think you could play around on there and not find that stuff. Dunno what's going on on I2P these days.

sanity31415 5y ago
> Freenet is the same as it ever was. I don't think you could play around on there and not find that stuff. Dunno what's going on on I2P these days. You're very unlikely to find it unless you're looking for it, none of the default indexes allow it.

wongarsu 5y ago

> I am now largely terrified to, because of the prospect of accidentally finding CSAM, which I suspect is very high on both platforms. Chilling effects in a nutshell.

amelius 5y ago
It's in Bitcoin's blockchain too: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47130268 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47130268
- ikt 5y ago
  that's bitcoin sv which is not bitcoin
  - kafkaIncarnate 5y ago
    The principle remains, which makes it possible for anyone to do on any blockchain really. Encoding an image into the message of a transaction (or spanned over multiple transactions) should be fairly straightforward even with a simple bitcoin wallet. You should be able to make a CSAM NFT on Ethereum that nobody can expunge, as well.

ArneBab 5y ago

To find CSAM on Freenet nowadays you have to go out of your way to search for it. All the default index pages (entry points) filter out content that is illegal by itself (as CSAM is), and if you talk about that in FMS or Sone you’ll quickly find your pseudonym blocked by most accounts.