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You forgot to add "In my opinion." Every adult I've introduced Mandalorian to loves it.

dmitriid 5y ago
I am an adult. I enjoyed it, but didn't love it. It's definitely the best thing to happen to Star Wars in a long time, but amazing? It isn't. It just goes to show how low Star Wars has fallen that boring drivel that is Rogue One and unassuming adventure for kids like Mandalorian are praised as the best thing since sliced cheese.
- amrangaye 5y ago
  Like the comment you’re replying to said: this is your opinion. I loved Mandalorian and looked forward to it every week. I - and my friends who watched it - certainly didn’t see it as boring drivel or an “unassuming adventure for kids” (I don’t even know what that means). But you’re speaking with great conviction as if this is an objective fact. It’s not - we all get different things from it just like any other media. No need to insult Star Wars fans either. You don’t like it - that’s fine - but this is completely subjective.
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    There are some objective-ish criteria we can apply: plot structure, themes, language and dialog complexity etc. There are also more subjective criteria which can nonetheless employed like character development and character complexity in general, plot lines and plot wholes, number of literary and narrative devices employed etc. Mandalorian is a simple linear narrative with an episodic structure with a rather thin plot, little to no character development, and the only "arc" serving as the single motivation for the plot to advance. This especially evident in Season 2 Episode 7, where they tried to cram a series worth of a character's redemption arc and world building into a single episode. This doesn't make Mandalorian bad. It's a very enjoyable well executed show with surprisingly few really weak points. This also doesn't make Mandalorian great, or amazing. In 14 episodes Firefly had more character development, better dialog, working jokes and better acting than 16 episodes of Mandalorian. As to boring drivel, that's my view of Rogue One: thin plot full of plot holes. The only narrative structure in the entire film is "15 minutes of static talking heads followed by rather uninspired and badly edited CGI action"
    - amrangaye 5y ago
      Yes I know about the structure of a film, dialog etc. But even with that kind of breakdown it still comes down to whether you like the film or not, which is completely subjective. Back in the day Ebert and Siskel - arguably the top film critics of their day - also knew about all the things you listed and could break down any film in the same way. Yet on the show they had vehement disagreements over certain movies that one liked and one didn’t. I’m not arguing over anything you said - all I’m saying, like the parent comment, is that this isn’t as objective as you’re trying to make it. Experiencing any art is subjective, whether movies, paintings, books, etc. Objectivity requires something that is true for everyone. Your opinions of the series certainly isn’t true for me and my friends, and other people on this thread who’ve said they liked it. So they’re your opinions, and only that.
      - dmitriid 5y ago
        > is that this isn’t as objective as you’re trying to make it. I mean, I started with my reply to a comment that literally said this: "Every adult I've introduced Mandalorian to loves it." :D Of course everything is subjective. We can still say about something "something is enjoyable, even if something is simple and is mostly aimed at kids", or "despite apparent complexity and serious themes something is boring and unimaginative". For example, basically all of Marvel is based on the formula of "simple but enjoyable". Ain't nothing wrong with that :)
FourthProtocol 5y ago
I too am an adult. One of those that saw Star Wars New Hope in the cinema. I gave up on Mandalorian after 4 episodes. Cancelling Gina Carano will make it hard for me return for whatever else they do. Star Wars is my biggest cinematic disappointment. Empire will always rate as one of the best movies I've ever seen. But making I to III look like a Lego set and making 7, 8 and 9 rehashes of 3, 4 and 5 was... disaster.
- the_gipsy 5y ago
  I loved Mando while having the exact same opinion on the movies as you…
LegitShady 5y ago
I don't get it. Did you think I was speaking for someone else?

I am an adult. I enjoyed it, but didn't love it. It's definitely the best thing to happen to Star Wars in a long time, but amazing? It isn't. It just goes to show how low Star Wars has fallen that boring drivel that is Rogue One and unassuming adventure for kids like Mandalorian are praised as the best thing since sliced cheese.

amrangaye 5y ago
Like the comment you’re replying to said: this is your opinion. I loved Mandalorian and looked forward to it every week. I - and my friends who watched it - certainly didn’t see it as boring drivel or an “unassuming adventure for kids” (I don’t even know what that means). But you’re speaking with great conviction as if this is an objective fact. It’s not - we all get different things from it just like any other media. No need to insult Star Wars fans either. You don’t like it - that’s fine - but this is completely subjective.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  There are some objective-ish criteria we can apply: plot structure, themes, language and dialog complexity etc. There are also more subjective criteria which can nonetheless employed like character development and character complexity in general, plot lines and plot wholes, number of literary and narrative devices employed etc. Mandalorian is a simple linear narrative with an episodic structure with a rather thin plot, little to no character development, and the only "arc" serving as the single motivation for the plot to advance. This especially evident in Season 2 Episode 7, where they tried to cram a series worth of a character's redemption arc and world building into a single episode. This doesn't make Mandalorian bad. It's a very enjoyable well executed show with surprisingly few really weak points. This also doesn't make Mandalorian great, or amazing. In 14 episodes Firefly had more character development, better dialog, working jokes and better acting than 16 episodes of Mandalorian. As to boring drivel, that's my view of Rogue One: thin plot full of plot holes. The only narrative structure in the entire film is "15 minutes of static talking heads followed by rather uninspired and badly edited CGI action"
  - amrangaye 5y ago
    Yes I know about the structure of a film, dialog etc. But even with that kind of breakdown it still comes down to whether you like the film or not, which is completely subjective. Back in the day Ebert and Siskel - arguably the top film critics of their day - also knew about all the things you listed and could break down any film in the same way. Yet on the show they had vehement disagreements over certain movies that one liked and one didn’t. I’m not arguing over anything you said - all I’m saying, like the parent comment, is that this isn’t as objective as you’re trying to make it. Experiencing any art is subjective, whether movies, paintings, books, etc. Objectivity requires something that is true for everyone. Your opinions of the series certainly isn’t true for me and my friends, and other people on this thread who’ve said they liked it. So they’re your opinions, and only that.
    - dmitriid 5y ago
      > is that this isn’t as objective as you’re trying to make it. I mean, I started with my reply to a comment that literally said this: "Every adult I've introduced Mandalorian to loves it." :D Of course everything is subjective. We can still say about something "something is enjoyable, even if something is simple and is mostly aimed at kids", or "despite apparent complexity and serious themes something is boring and unimaginative". For example, basically all of Marvel is based on the formula of "simple but enjoyable". Ain't nothing wrong with that :)

FourthProtocol 5y ago

I too am an adult. One of those that saw Star Wars New Hope in the cinema. I gave up on Mandalorian after 4 episodes. Cancelling Gina Carano will make it hard for me return for whatever else they do. Star Wars is my biggest cinematic disappointment. Empire will always rate as one of the best movies I've ever seen. But making I to III look like a Lego set and making 7, 8 and 9 rehashes of 3, 4 and 5 was... disaster.

the_gipsy 5y ago
I loved Mando while having the exact same opinion on the movies as you…

LegitShady 5y ago

I don't get it. Did you think I was speaking for someone else?