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the writing on mandalorian is ultra bad. The characters are caricatures, the dialog stunted. Their ultra advanced production techniques just look like props wit

the writing on mandalorian is ultra bad. The characters are caricatures, the dialog stunted. Their ultra advanced production techniques just look like props with some CG. Rather than a show that would appeal to kids but have depth for adults, you get a mostly simple main character who does inexplicable things. Find the baby using locator, fly off with baby, forget about locator? Leave the baby every bounty hunter is looking for on the space truck with the local dockwoman and go do something else, etc. It was unbearable to watch from a story perspective so I stopped about 3/4 of the way through season 1. being "ok star wars" seems to be the very best it can aspire to. It's just a pastiche of star wars with some mixed in memberberries.

someperson 5y ago
I agree. I find there are sometimes flashes of Star Wars perfection, and it has all the pieces to be consistently top-tier. The depth they put into expanding upon the culture of the side species like the Jawas was great. But so much is wasted on bad character decisions, bad dialogue, bad acting and more. Just overall bad writing. There's so much potential, but it doesn't live up to what I expect from Star Wars. And that's so disappointing. I hope Disney/LucasFilm does better, because Star Wars continues to be a very important franchise to me and many others.
- LegitShady 5y ago
  >There's so much potential, but it doesn't live up to what I expect from Star Wars. clone wars was more sophisticated than mandalorian, and its a cartoon. I've given up on star wars - I don't bother to even check out new stuff. It's dead and disney is wearing its corpse.
  - toyg 5y ago
    Clone Wars was 7 series of 10 to 22 episodes each - 133 episodes, many of them barely watchable by anyone over 10 years of age. The good ones are really good, but there is a lot of dreck too, particularly the first 3-4 seasons. Take 16 random CW episodes and I don't think you'll find a better level of sophistication in it than in The Mandalorian.
    - LegitShady 5y ago
      You're right but I think overall Clone Wars is more sophisticated than Mandalorian. Mandalorian isn't being released into a vacuum.
  - petepete 5y ago
    Been pretty much dead to me since midichlorians. Despecialised editions only here.
- ant6n 5y ago
  The clone wars started really bad, but it got better and better with every season. I mean there are always a couple of meh episodes per season, but overall they're getting better, and the last season is getting better than episode III. That's pretty good for an animated kid's cartoon.
- darkerside 5y ago
  Wow, you haven't given up yet? Because they gave up on making stuff for us a long time ago..
marcinzm 5y ago
I think it's pretty clear that Mando is not the brightest bulb in the box.
- LegitShady 5y ago
  It's not 'mando' its that the writers are writing a story where the characters go do things the writers decided without having internally consistent logic or motives. The character is dumb because the writers are bad.
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    I also "loved" how they started with "he's good, but not that good" to "yeah, he's an invincible undying god" in the span of three episodes.
toyg 5y ago
And the original Death Star had an unprotected exhaust tunnel going all the way to the critical core... It's StarWars, some suspension of disbelief is necessary. "Mando" is a guy who simply struggles with anything that is not bounty-hunting, and acting as a parent clearly sends him in complete confusion more often than not. I know there are weak episodes, some almost on purpose (like the village defense, a homage to samurai films from a simpler era), but I don't agree about The Mandalorian being bad overall because it just isn't. It delivers worldbuilding, ambience, and characters (ironically, the ones under helmets end up being more memorable than the others...); the soundtrack is insanely good, the production art alone is fantastic, and it's a miracle that it's a tv-series at all. My kids just love it in a way they've not loved any other SW material. The only thing I would change is Gina Carano (bad actor, bad casting, and turns out she's a bad person too), but that's it.
- LegitShady 5y ago
  I disagree strongly. It's so poorly written that mando does stupid things because the writers are stupid. He's no boba fett that's for sure.
  - LynxInLA 5y ago
    Boba Fett is your example of a smart character? The character that jetpacks within lightsaber reach of a Jedi then gets knocked into a sarlacc pit by a blind guy with a stick?
    - LegitShady 5y ago
      You can’t beat jedis from range - they use their lightsabers to block blaster bolts using the force. You have to overwhelm them.
- bryanrasmussen 5y ago
  >And the original Death Star had an unprotected exhaust tunnel going all the way to the critical core... It's StarWars, some suspension of disbelief is necessary. bad writing does not require suspension of disbelief to handle, that requires poor critical faculties. Luckily kids tend to have both. Also, architectural flaws in a government project are more believable than revolving lists of characters being inexplicably stupid at just the right plot moments for their stupidity to have maximum effect, and then going back to competence once the twist of their stupidity has done its work, which most dramatic series rely on for their momentum.
saberience 5y ago
You forgot to add "In my opinion." Every adult I've introduced Mandalorian to loves it.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  I am an adult. I enjoyed it, but didn't love it. It's definitely the best thing to happen to Star Wars in a long time, but amazing? It isn't. It just goes to show how low Star Wars has fallen that boring drivel that is Rogue One and unassuming adventure for kids like Mandalorian are praised as the best thing since sliced cheese.
  - amrangaye 5y ago
    Like the comment you’re replying to said: this is your opinion. I loved Mandalorian and looked forward to it every week. I - and my friends who watched it - certainly didn’t see it as boring drivel or an “unassuming adventure for kids” (I don’t even know what that means). But you’re speaking with great conviction as if this is an objective fact. It’s not - we all get different things from it just like any other media. No need to insult Star Wars fans either. You don’t like it - that’s fine - but this is completely subjective.
    - dmitriid 5y ago
      There are some objective-ish criteria we can apply: plot structure, themes, language and dialog complexity etc. There are also more subjective criteria which can nonetheless employed like character development and character complexity in general, plot lines and plot wholes, number of literary and narrative devices employed etc. Mandalorian is a simple linear narrative with an episodic structure with a rather thin plot, little to no character development, and the only "arc" serving as the single motivation for the plot to advance. This especially evident in Season 2 Episode 7, where they tried to cram a series worth of a character's redemption arc and world building into a single episode. This doesn't make Mandalorian bad. It's a very enjoyable well executed show with surprisingly few really weak points. This also doesn't make Mandalorian great, or amazing. In 14 episodes Firefly had more character development, better dialog, working jokes and better acting than 16 episodes of Mandalorian. As to boring drivel, that's my view of Rogue One: thin plot full of plot holes. The only narrative structure in the entire film is "15 minutes of static talking heads followed by rather uninspired and badly edited CGI action"
the_gipsy 5y ago
I found the writing and dialogues mostly terrific. Glad it’s not superhero movie style, where every character has to explain out loud what he is going to do and why.

someperson 5y ago

I agree. I find there are sometimes flashes of Star Wars perfection, and it has all the pieces to be consistently top-tier. The depth they put into expanding upon the culture of the side species like the Jawas was great. But so much is wasted on bad character decisions, bad dialogue, bad acting and more. Just overall bad writing. There's so much potential, but it doesn't live up to what I expect from Star Wars. And that's so disappointing. I hope Disney/LucasFilm does better, because Star Wars continues to be a very important franchise to me and many others.

LegitShady 5y ago
>There's so much potential, but it doesn't live up to what I expect from Star Wars. clone wars was more sophisticated than mandalorian, and its a cartoon. I've given up on star wars - I don't bother to even check out new stuff. It's dead and disney is wearing its corpse.
- toyg 5y ago
  Clone Wars was 7 series of 10 to 22 episodes each - 133 episodes, many of them barely watchable by anyone over 10 years of age. The good ones are really good, but there is a lot of dreck too, particularly the first 3-4 seasons. Take 16 random CW episodes and I don't think you'll find a better level of sophistication in it than in The Mandalorian.
  - LegitShady 5y ago
    You're right but I think overall Clone Wars is more sophisticated than Mandalorian. Mandalorian isn't being released into a vacuum.
- petepete 5y ago
  Been pretty much dead to me since midichlorians. Despecialised editions only here.
ant6n 5y ago
The clone wars started really bad, but it got better and better with every season. I mean there are always a couple of meh episodes per season, but overall they're getting better, and the last season is getting better than episode III. That's pretty good for an animated kid's cartoon.
darkerside 5y ago
Wow, you haven't given up yet? Because they gave up on making stuff for us a long time ago..

marcinzm 5y ago

I think it's pretty clear that Mando is not the brightest bulb in the box.

LegitShady 5y ago
It's not 'mando' its that the writers are writing a story where the characters go do things the writers decided without having internally consistent logic or motives. The character is dumb because the writers are bad.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  I also "loved" how they started with "he's good, but not that good" to "yeah, he's an invincible undying god" in the span of three episodes.

toyg 5y ago

And the original Death Star had an unprotected exhaust tunnel going all the way to the critical core... It's StarWars, some suspension of disbelief is necessary. "Mando" is a guy who simply struggles with anything that is not bounty-hunting, and acting as a parent clearly sends him in complete confusion more often than not. I know there are weak episodes, some almost on purpose (like the village defense, a homage to samurai films from a simpler era), but I don't agree about The Mandalorian being bad overall because it just isn't. It delivers worldbuilding, ambience, and characters (ironically, the ones under helmets end up being more memorable than the others...); the soundtrack is insanely good, the production art alone is fantastic, and it's a miracle that it's a tv-series at all. My kids just love it in a way they've not loved any other SW material. The only thing I would change is Gina Carano (bad actor, bad casting, and turns out she's a bad person too), but that's it.

LegitShady 5y ago
I disagree strongly. It's so poorly written that mando does stupid things because the writers are stupid. He's no boba fett that's for sure.
- LynxInLA 5y ago
  Boba Fett is your example of a smart character? The character that jetpacks within lightsaber reach of a Jedi then gets knocked into a sarlacc pit by a blind guy with a stick?
  - LegitShady 5y ago
    You can’t beat jedis from range - they use their lightsabers to block blaster bolts using the force. You have to overwhelm them.
bryanrasmussen 5y ago
>And the original Death Star had an unprotected exhaust tunnel going all the way to the critical core... It's StarWars, some suspension of disbelief is necessary. bad writing does not require suspension of disbelief to handle, that requires poor critical faculties. Luckily kids tend to have both. Also, architectural flaws in a government project are more believable than revolving lists of characters being inexplicably stupid at just the right plot moments for their stupidity to have maximum effect, and then going back to competence once the twist of their stupidity has done its work, which most dramatic series rely on for their momentum.

saberience 5y ago

You forgot to add "In my opinion." Every adult I've introduced Mandalorian to loves it.

dmitriid 5y ago
I am an adult. I enjoyed it, but didn't love it. It's definitely the best thing to happen to Star Wars in a long time, but amazing? It isn't. It just goes to show how low Star Wars has fallen that boring drivel that is Rogue One and unassuming adventure for kids like Mandalorian are praised as the best thing since sliced cheese.
- amrangaye 5y ago
  Like the comment you’re replying to said: this is your opinion. I loved Mandalorian and looked forward to it every week. I - and my friends who watched it - certainly didn’t see it as boring drivel or an “unassuming adventure for kids” (I don’t even know what that means). But you’re speaking with great conviction as if this is an objective fact. It’s not - we all get different things from it just like any other media. No need to insult Star Wars fans either. You don’t like it - that’s fine - but this is completely subjective.
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    There are some objective-ish criteria we can apply: plot structure, themes, language and dialog complexity etc. There are also more subjective criteria which can nonetheless employed like character development and character complexity in general, plot lines and plot wholes, number of literary and narrative devices employed etc. Mandalorian is a simple linear narrative with an episodic structure with a rather thin plot, little to no character development, and the only "arc" serving as the single motivation for the plot to advance. This especially evident in Season 2 Episode 7, where they tried to cram a series worth of a character's redemption arc and world building into a single episode. This doesn't make Mandalorian bad. It's a very enjoyable well executed show with surprisingly few really weak points. This also doesn't make Mandalorian great, or amazing. In 14 episodes Firefly had more character development, better dialog, working jokes and better acting than 16 episodes of Mandalorian. As to boring drivel, that's my view of Rogue One: thin plot full of plot holes. The only narrative structure in the entire film is "15 minutes of static talking heads followed by rather uninspired and badly edited CGI action"

the_gipsy 5y ago

I found the writing and dialogues mostly terrific. Glad it’s not superhero movie style, where every character has to explain out loud what he is going to do and why.