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Why annoy people like this? My e-bike has Find My tracking built in to the firmware. As long as you don’t steal my bike you have no privacy concerns from me sec

Why annoy people like this? My e-bike has Find My tracking built in to the firmware. As long as you don’t steal my bike you have no privacy concerns from me securing my bike. Even better I can track my bike down without involving the police, so the potential thief doesn’t even have to worry about being shot by some trigger happy cop.

teakettle42 5y ago
Is “cop shoots bike thief” something you actually think is common enough to note? This implies a concerning reality departure.
- midasuni 5y ago
  Depends on the colour of the skin of the bike thief, but cop shoots innocent driver seems fairly common
  - rubicon33 5y ago
    I recommend you take some time to really research how common that actually is. You might be surprised. The modern world has a way of making relatively small (yet disturbing) events seem like massive wide spread problems careening out of control. It's one of the reasons we are seeing hyper polarization of beliefs. Nobody actually does the research, they just read headlines, and it seems like the world is much worse than it really is.
    - midasuni 5y ago
      US cops kill 15 times as many civilians as most civilised countries.
      - rubicon33 5y ago
        > "fairly common"? You are about as likely to get hit and killed by lightning as you are to die from being shot by police. Chance of getting hit by lightning: 1 in 500,00 = 2.0 * 10^-6 [1] Chance of getting shot and killed by police (2020): 993 in 331,449,281 = 2.99 x 10^-6 [2] Hardly seems "fairly common" now does it? And, your second post about the relative frequency to other countries is a different statement, one that while interesting, doesn't say anything about how frequent something is. And the numbers aren't even outside of an order of magnitude if focusing on African Americans while controlling for population. 241 in 44,780,000 = 5.38 x 10^-6 [3] I understand that your sentiment is in vogue, but emotion and vitriol has taken enough of our society away from us. When possible, maintaining perspective is paramount. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/disasters/lightning/victimdata.html https://www.cdc.gov/disasters/lightning/victimdata.html [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-de... [3] https://www.statista.com/statistics/183489/population-of-the-us-by-ethnicity-since-2000/#:~:text=U.S.%20population&text=The%20Black%20or%20African%20American,335.71%20million%20people%20in%202024 https://www.statista.com/statistics/183489/population-of-the....
        haswell 5y ago
        > And yet, you are about as likely to get hit and killed by lightning as you are to die from being shot by police. And? You’re also more likely to die of a lightning strike than you are in a school shooting [0]. Does that mean we should judge the horror of school shootings any differently? - [0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/971473/number-k-12-school-shootings-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/971473/number-k-12-schoo...
        rubicon33 5y ago
        You're asking if we should judge the horror more differently? Certainly. One (school shootings) is obviously far more horrible, for obvious reasons. But, if you're commenting on how common something is (as the original poster did), then having an actual understanding of the frequency is important. For instance, I don't think we need armed police and metal detectors on every single campus. That would be an over reaction but one that you might make if you thought the problem was bigger and more widespread than it actually is. I am somewhat surprised that I am having to explain why keeping perspective is important on HN. Sign of the times, I guess.
        haswell 5y ago
        > then having an actual understanding of the frequency is important In which case it’s important to add some more context to the numbers you cited. Lightning strikes kill about 50 people/year. Police kill about 1,000 (US). You’re significantly more likely do die at the hands of police than you are from lightning. Does that make either occurrence particularly likely? That’s where things get messy. Lightning doesn’t discriminate. Cops do. A person of color has no disadvantage against lightning, but they do when police are involved. Bottom line: this comparison is problematic and misleading. This was the point of my first response. Understanding that on the whole it’s extremely unlikely to be struck by lightning doesn’t mean someone should go stand in a field during a lightning storm holding an umbrella.
        brigandish 5y ago
      - ctack 5y ago
        Am sure there is a startup idea in there somewhere.
    - cratermoon 5y ago
      https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/30/us/police-killings-undercounted-study.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/30/us/police-killings-underc...
- andreareina 5y ago
  The police department is recommending people store their documents in an always-visible pouch to avoid getting shot. https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/ooc/news-releases/Pages/dps-partners-with-valerie-castile.aspx https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/ooc/news-releases/Pages/dps-par...
  - cton 5y ago
    This is a solution in the same way anti-homeless design is a solution
  - tyingq 5y ago
    And they called the pouches "not reaching pouches". I wonder if they get the irony of "not reaching".
  - botverse 5y ago
    The sad reality is buried under so many layers of derangement, I can’t really understand what exactly they are trying to solve here
  - aasasd 5y ago
    > deadly force encounters can be catastrophic for police officers Oy vey.
- jdavis703 5y ago
  At least where I live it is. I’ve personally witnessed two instances of excessive force and been a victim of excessive force myself. And the last police shooting was ultimately about stolen property. They killed a father to be and a fetus over a suspected stolen car. So no, I haven’t departed reality. But yes, not all police departments are like this (mine specifically has been under federal oversight for years).
  - cutemonster 5y ago
    > At least where I live it is In the US? I wonder which part of the US (if I may ask) > last police shooting .. killed a father .. How sad that they did that. (If it got covered by any news, it'd be interesting (or is there a better word) to read)
    - Thorrez 5y ago
      I don't know if this is the case, but it seems to match: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/10/oakland-erik-salgado-shooting/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/10/oakland-eri... https://www.ktvu.com/news/attorney-for-brianna-colombo-confirms-unborn-child-lost-following-chp-shooting https://www.ktvu.com/news/attorney-for-brianna-colombo-confi...
- valvar 5y ago
  I find the wording itself interesting. I guess it's a sort of class-tribalism that's developed to the point where it's so ingrained in some people's mindsets that they causally append bizarre comments like that to their sentences.
  - pxmpxm 5y ago
    Broadcasting your bona fides far and wide is certainly en vogue in certain circles; anecdotally speaking, the incidence of people manifesting their vanilla pronouns is orders of magnitude higher than otherwise. Seems it's on par with yelling go packers or similar at a crowded bar.
rubyist5eva 5y ago
Great, now instead of getting shot by a cop you’ll get the crap kicked out of you instead.
tdfx 5y ago
In many areas of the US, that trigger happy cop will be the difference between you recovering your property and you being severely beaten when you show up in a rough neighborhood trying to get your bike back.
- poink 5y ago
  In my experience, the most an American cop is going to do to help you resolve a property crime is take a report. If they happen to find the item, you _may_ get it back.
  - throwoutway 5y ago
    However this is a required step for submitting to many consumer insurance programs
    - TeMPOraL 5y ago
      And probably the answer for why things are the way they are: most people likely just want the report for insurance payout, and not getting their used thing back.
- void_mint 5y ago
  > In many areas of the US, that trigger happy cop will be the difference between you recovering your propert A cop's not going to get your bike back. They'll write a report and then throw it away when you leave.
- nemothekid 5y ago
  In what area of the US do the police actually recover bikes?
  - tdfx 5y ago
    If you show the police officer a live location of your stolen property moving on a map, that's usually enough to motivate them into action. I've seen two stolen phones recovered this way. If you tell them your bike is stolen and that's all the information you have, they rightly deduce that there's almost no chance of you getting it back.
jcims 5y ago
What if someone else is tracking your bike? Or backpack, or car, etc? GPS trackers exist so this doesn't eliminate that concern, but at least if someone tries tracking you with an AirTag you have an option to locate it.
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wcoenen 5y ago
> Why annoy people like this? Does it matter? Someone is going to do it anyway. They might just think that it's funny that they can make all the tags in the subway car start making noise. So maybe the question should be "why did Apple design it to allow this?".
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teakettle42 5y ago

Is “cop shoots bike thief” something you actually think is common enough to note? This implies a concerning reality departure.

midasuni 5y ago
Depends on the colour of the skin of the bike thief, but cop shoots innocent driver seems fairly common
- rubicon33 5y ago
  I recommend you take some time to really research how common that actually is. You might be surprised. The modern world has a way of making relatively small (yet disturbing) events seem like massive wide spread problems careening out of control. It's one of the reasons we are seeing hyper polarization of beliefs. Nobody actually does the research, they just read headlines, and it seems like the world is much worse than it really is.
  - midasuni 5y ago
    US cops kill 15 times as many civilians as most civilised countries.
    - rubicon33 5y ago
      > "fairly common"? You are about as likely to get hit and killed by lightning as you are to die from being shot by police. Chance of getting hit by lightning: 1 in 500,00 = 2.0 * 10^-6 [1] Chance of getting shot and killed by police (2020): 993 in 331,449,281 = 2.99 x 10^-6 [2] Hardly seems "fairly common" now does it? And, your second post about the relative frequency to other countries is a different statement, one that while interesting, doesn't say anything about how frequent something is. And the numbers aren't even outside of an order of magnitude if focusing on African Americans while controlling for population. 241 in 44,780,000 = 5.38 x 10^-6 [3] I understand that your sentiment is in vogue, but emotion and vitriol has taken enough of our society away from us. When possible, maintaining perspective is paramount. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/disasters/lightning/victimdata.html https://www.cdc.gov/disasters/lightning/victimdata.html [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-de... [3] https://www.statista.com/statistics/183489/population-of-the-us-by-ethnicity-since-2000/#:~:text=U.S.%20population&text=The%20Black%20or%20African%20American,335.71%20million%20people%20in%202024 https://www.statista.com/statistics/183489/population-of-the....
      - haswell 5y ago
        > And yet, you are about as likely to get hit and killed by lightning as you are to die from being shot by police. And? You’re also more likely to die of a lightning strike than you are in a school shooting [0]. Does that mean we should judge the horror of school shootings any differently? - [0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/971473/number-k-12-school-shootings-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/971473/number-k-12-schoo...
        rubicon33 5y ago
        You're asking if we should judge the horror more differently? Certainly. One (school shootings) is obviously far more horrible, for obvious reasons. But, if you're commenting on how common something is (as the original poster did), then having an actual understanding of the frequency is important. For instance, I don't think we need armed police and metal detectors on every single campus. That would be an over reaction but one that you might make if you thought the problem was bigger and more widespread than it actually is. I am somewhat surprised that I am having to explain why keeping perspective is important on HN. Sign of the times, I guess.
        haswell 5y ago
        > then having an actual understanding of the frequency is important In which case it’s important to add some more context to the numbers you cited. Lightning strikes kill about 50 people/year. Police kill about 1,000 (US). You’re significantly more likely do die at the hands of police than you are from lightning. Does that make either occurrence particularly likely? That’s where things get messy. Lightning doesn’t discriminate. Cops do. A person of color has no disadvantage against lightning, but they do when police are involved. Bottom line: this comparison is problematic and misleading. This was the point of my first response. Understanding that on the whole it’s extremely unlikely to be struck by lightning doesn’t mean someone should go stand in a field during a lightning storm holding an umbrella.
        brigandish 5y ago
    - ctack 5y ago
      Am sure there is a startup idea in there somewhere.
  - cratermoon 5y ago
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/30/us/police-killings-undercounted-study.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/30/us/police-killings-underc...
andreareina 5y ago
The police department is recommending people store their documents in an always-visible pouch to avoid getting shot. https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/ooc/news-releases/Pages/dps-partners-with-valerie-castile.aspx https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/ooc/news-releases/Pages/dps-par...
- cton 5y ago
  This is a solution in the same way anti-homeless design is a solution
- tyingq 5y ago
  And they called the pouches "not reaching pouches". I wonder if they get the irony of "not reaching".
- botverse 5y ago
  The sad reality is buried under so many layers of derangement, I can’t really understand what exactly they are trying to solve here
- aasasd 5y ago
  > deadly force encounters can be catastrophic for police officers Oy vey.
jdavis703 5y ago
At least where I live it is. I’ve personally witnessed two instances of excessive force and been a victim of excessive force myself. And the last police shooting was ultimately about stolen property. They killed a father to be and a fetus over a suspected stolen car. So no, I haven’t departed reality. But yes, not all police departments are like this (mine specifically has been under federal oversight for years).
- cutemonster 5y ago
  > At least where I live it is In the US? I wonder which part of the US (if I may ask) > last police shooting .. killed a father .. How sad that they did that. (If it got covered by any news, it'd be interesting (or is there a better word) to read)
  - Thorrez 5y ago
    I don't know if this is the case, but it seems to match: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/10/oakland-erik-salgado-shooting/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/10/oakland-eri... https://www.ktvu.com/news/attorney-for-brianna-colombo-confirms-unborn-child-lost-following-chp-shooting https://www.ktvu.com/news/attorney-for-brianna-colombo-confi...
valvar 5y ago
I find the wording itself interesting. I guess it's a sort of class-tribalism that's developed to the point where it's so ingrained in some people's mindsets that they causally append bizarre comments like that to their sentences.
- pxmpxm 5y ago
  Broadcasting your bona fides far and wide is certainly en vogue in certain circles; anecdotally speaking, the incidence of people manifesting their vanilla pronouns is orders of magnitude higher than otherwise. Seems it's on par with yelling go packers or similar at a crowded bar.

rubyist5eva 5y ago

Great, now instead of getting shot by a cop you’ll get the crap kicked out of you instead.

tdfx 5y ago

In many areas of the US, that trigger happy cop will be the difference between you recovering your property and you being severely beaten when you show up in a rough neighborhood trying to get your bike back.

poink 5y ago
In my experience, the most an American cop is going to do to help you resolve a property crime is take a report. If they happen to find the item, you _may_ get it back.
- throwoutway 5y ago
  However this is a required step for submitting to many consumer insurance programs
  - TeMPOraL 5y ago
    And probably the answer for why things are the way they are: most people likely just want the report for insurance payout, and not getting their used thing back.
void_mint 5y ago
> In many areas of the US, that trigger happy cop will be the difference between you recovering your propert A cop's not going to get your bike back. They'll write a report and then throw it away when you leave.
nemothekid 5y ago
In what area of the US do the police actually recover bikes?
- tdfx 5y ago
  If you show the police officer a live location of your stolen property moving on a map, that's usually enough to motivate them into action. I've seen two stolen phones recovered this way. If you tell them your bike is stolen and that's all the information you have, they rightly deduce that there's almost no chance of you getting it back.

jcims 5y ago

What if someone else is tracking your bike? Or backpack, or car, etc? GPS trackers exist so this doesn't eliminate that concern, but at least if someone tries tracking you with an AirTag you have an option to locate it.

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wcoenen 5y ago

> Why annoy people like this? Does it matter? Someone is going to do it anyway. They might just think that it's funny that they can make all the tags in the subway car start making noise. So maybe the question should be "why did Apple design it to allow this?".

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