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>"With the introduction of Rust to the base system, it may be desirable to oxidize certain components which have high security value in the system." This is su

>"With the introduction of Rust to the base system, it may be desirable to oxidize certain components which have high security value in the system." This is such a great way to phrase this activity; I really hope it catches on with other projects.

Waterluvian 5y ago
Do you mind explaining what it means to you and why you love it? My guess is this means “help fuel the advancement of…” but I’m having a slow day. I get that there’s also a pun there I think?
- alderz 5y ago
  Metals get rust by an oxidation process.
  - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
    I’m not Latin expert, but I think iron, or ferus metals are the only ones that “rust”. Raw aluminum starts oxidizing the moment air hits it, anodizing is specially oxidizing aluminum then dying it, and of course this is more true for metals like potassium that dull while you are looking at them, but I’ve never heard anyone say these metals “rust”, they oxidize.
    - ithkuil 5y ago
      The word "rust" has Germanic origins, with the meaning red/reddish. Latin rubigo (rust) also derives from the word for the color red. They may have a common ancestor (I don't know)
      - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
        Good one, I just assumed Latin. You’re probably closer with Germanic. Still, reddish, we’re likely back to ferrous metals.
- djxfade 5y ago
  If iron oxidizes, it turns in to rust
  - hutzlibu 5y ago
    And then the oxidized layer protects the rest of the iron.
    - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
      This is how weathering steel works, but for all other cases the instructions are to remove the oxidized layer and apply a protective coat of paint, because rust is typically pourous and provides no protection, but traps moisture. Also stainless steel has an oxidised protective layer, but its transparent so we don't call it rust
- kaladin-jasnah 5y ago
  Not OP, but I think "oxidize" here would refer to... rewriting the components in Rust.
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- cogburnd02 5y ago
  I'd assume it meant 'rewrite in rust.'
  - bluejekyll 5y ago
    It probably means different things to different people. Usually when I see the term "oxidize" it tends to mean rewrite critical parts of software, but not necessarily the entire thing (like swapping out the TLS library in a C implementation for one in Rust, but the rest of the C program remains the same). This would be different from rewriting the entire program in Rust.
boulos 5y ago
Do you specifically mean "oxidize"? If so, that's already the term. If not, did you mean the "high-security value" part? Edit: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Oxidation https://wiki.mozilla.org/Oxidation is an example of the history of the term, though amusingly it doesn't show up on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_(programming_language)
patcon 5y ago
I also think it's neat. My read of it was that they were saying it like "hardening at the surface", e.g., https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/materials-science/surface-hardening https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/materials-science/surfa... Though technically oxidization can either strengthen or weaken a surface, so it's not a perfect phrasing, if so
nsajko 5y ago
I don't know what do you like about the phrasing, but it's not really friendly. The word "oxidize" used like that is clearly a Rust community slang, so it signals that the author identifies with the (a?) Rust community, but it also has the effect of alienating those who are not members of the subculture. Apart from that, I find it strange that people are so brazen with the whole "rewrite stuff in Rust" agenda.
- alias_neo 5y ago
  I'm not a member of the Rust community (yet), but there was no great leap to understand the oxidation "in-reference", it may very well be community slang, but the link between oxidation and rust in the English language is not at all misunderstood. As for the agenda of re-write everything in Rust, I cannot comment; as a software engineer I love re-writing things in my new favourite language of the day, so my judgement is clouded.
  - bluejekyll 5y ago
    I read that comment not as "re-write everything in Rust", but more "rewrite a subset of components in Rust where it might help with security and resiliency". Rust can certainly help with the latter, but very few projects will ever have the funding or time to achieve the former.
    - zozbot234 5y ago
      Well, they have to start somewhere. It makes sense that they would be picking the lowest-hanging fruit.
- darig 5y ago
  I'm not a member of the subculture. It took me half a second to figure out what they meant, and I thought to myself, "clever". Rust community seems like good people. Then, I read your comment and thought to myself, "nope, just a bunch of a infighting retards, just like everywhere else". Apart from that, you suck.
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jml7c5 5y ago
Incidentally, the inspiration for the name may be more due to rusts (the fungi) than to rust (oxidized iron). See: https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/27jvdt/internet_archaeology_the_definitive_endall_source/ https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/27jvdt/internet_archa...

Waterluvian 5y ago

Do you mind explaining what it means to you and why you love it? My guess is this means “help fuel the advancement of…” but I’m having a slow day. I get that there’s also a pun there I think?

alderz 5y ago
Metals get rust by an oxidation process.
- SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
  I’m not Latin expert, but I think iron, or ferus metals are the only ones that “rust”. Raw aluminum starts oxidizing the moment air hits it, anodizing is specially oxidizing aluminum then dying it, and of course this is more true for metals like potassium that dull while you are looking at them, but I’ve never heard anyone say these metals “rust”, they oxidize.
  - ithkuil 5y ago
    The word "rust" has Germanic origins, with the meaning red/reddish. Latin rubigo (rust) also derives from the word for the color red. They may have a common ancestor (I don't know)
    - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
      Good one, I just assumed Latin. You’re probably closer with Germanic. Still, reddish, we’re likely back to ferrous metals.
djxfade 5y ago
If iron oxidizes, it turns in to rust
- hutzlibu 5y ago
  And then the oxidized layer protects the rest of the iron.
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    This is how weathering steel works, but for all other cases the instructions are to remove the oxidized layer and apply a protective coat of paint, because rust is typically pourous and provides no protection, but traps moisture. Also stainless steel has an oxidised protective layer, but its transparent so we don't call it rust
kaladin-jasnah 5y ago
Not OP, but I think "oxidize" here would refer to... rewriting the components in Rust.
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cogburnd02 5y ago
I'd assume it meant 'rewrite in rust.'
- bluejekyll 5y ago
  It probably means different things to different people. Usually when I see the term "oxidize" it tends to mean rewrite critical parts of software, but not necessarily the entire thing (like swapping out the TLS library in a C implementation for one in Rust, but the rest of the C program remains the same). This would be different from rewriting the entire program in Rust.

boulos 5y ago

Do you specifically mean "oxidize"? If so, that's already the term. If not, did you mean the "high-security value" part? Edit: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Oxidation https://wiki.mozilla.org/Oxidation is an example of the history of the term, though amusingly it doesn't show up on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_(programming_language)

patcon 5y ago

I also think it's neat. My read of it was that they were saying it like "hardening at the surface", e.g., https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/materials-science/surface-hardening https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/materials-science/surfa... Though technically oxidization can either strengthen or weaken a surface, so it's not a perfect phrasing, if so

nsajko 5y ago

I don't know what do you like about the phrasing, but it's not really friendly. The word "oxidize" used like that is clearly a Rust community slang, so it signals that the author identifies with the (a?) Rust community, but it also has the effect of alienating those who are not members of the subculture. Apart from that, I find it strange that people are so brazen with the whole "rewrite stuff in Rust" agenda.

alias_neo 5y ago
I'm not a member of the Rust community (yet), but there was no great leap to understand the oxidation "in-reference", it may very well be community slang, but the link between oxidation and rust in the English language is not at all misunderstood. As for the agenda of re-write everything in Rust, I cannot comment; as a software engineer I love re-writing things in my new favourite language of the day, so my judgement is clouded.
- bluejekyll 5y ago
  I read that comment not as "re-write everything in Rust", but more "rewrite a subset of components in Rust where it might help with security and resiliency". Rust can certainly help with the latter, but very few projects will ever have the funding or time to achieve the former.
  - zozbot234 5y ago
    Well, they have to start somewhere. It makes sense that they would be picking the lowest-hanging fruit.
darig 5y ago
I'm not a member of the subculture. It took me half a second to figure out what they meant, and I thought to myself, "clever". Rust community seems like good people. Then, I read your comment and thought to myself, "nope, just a bunch of a infighting retards, just like everywhere else". Apart from that, you suck.
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jml7c5 5y ago

Incidentally, the inspiration for the name may be more due to rusts (the fungi) than to rust (oxidized iron). See: https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/27jvdt/internet_archaeology_the_definitive_endall_source/ https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/27jvdt/internet_archa...