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Socialized housing only creates slums. Tenants have no incentive to keep the place nice, government rationing of maintenance ensures they degrade faster than t

Socialized housing only creates slums. Tenants have no incentive to keep the place nice, government rationing of maintenance ensures they degrade faster than the government is willing to spend to keep them functioning. Anyone that can afford better moves out. Eventually (not that long), only destitute remain.

FredPret 5y ago
This, 100%. Then a new generation grows up in said slum with its attendant effects on their development and the cycle worsens
- kebos 5y ago
  I'll take social housing over the homeless problem you get in countries without large social housing stock 100x. Maybe some % of people just aren't going to break the cycle. I'd still rather they aren't homeless and causing decay on the streets.
- nicoffeine 5y ago
  That's why Vienna mixes subsidized housing and regular housing, often in the same building. They also allow families to stay in their housing or purchase it as long as they pay the higher rate related to their rising income.[1] The problem in the US is that there is no gray area for subsidized housing. As soon as you hit some magic number, you lose all of your benefits. The people who game the system to stay under this number are not stupid, but acting rationally because they know their new job may not stick around. They would rather have housing security than take a chance at losing everything and living in the street until their tax return shows that they are poor again. [1] https://www.newstatesman.com/spotlight/2019/09/housing-basic-human-right-vienna-model-social-housing https://www.newstatesman.com/spotlight/2019/09/housing-basic...
nicbou 5y ago
Berlin has a few city-owned housing companies [1] that provide above average service. You'd be much happier with DeGeWo than with Akelius. [1] https://allaboutberlin.com/guides/find-a-flat-in-berlin#housing-companies https://allaboutberlin.com/guides/find-a-flat-in-berlin#hous...
mnd999 5y ago
Sometimes that happens, but not always. Take the Barbican centre in London as a very well known counter example.
- odiroot 5y ago
  It's a part of the City though. Not sure it's comparable.
ZeroGravitas 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore Relevant quote "In 2008, Singapore was lauded by the United Nations Habitat's State of the World's Cities report as the only slum-free city in the world"
postingawayonhn 5y ago
I think that very much depends on whether government owner housing is a last resort for the poor or open to wider sections of the population.
imtringued 5y ago
This is an unhealthy opinion because it goes too far into either extreme.
beckman466 5y ago
> Socialized housing only creates slums. Tenants have no incentive to keep the place nice > destitute It sounds like you're one of those people who looks down on marginalized groups for no reason. Stop poor-hating.

FredPret 5y ago

This, 100%. Then a new generation grows up in said slum with its attendant effects on their development and the cycle worsens

kebos 5y ago
I'll take social housing over the homeless problem you get in countries without large social housing stock 100x. Maybe some % of people just aren't going to break the cycle. I'd still rather they aren't homeless and causing decay on the streets.
nicoffeine 5y ago
That's why Vienna mixes subsidized housing and regular housing, often in the same building. They also allow families to stay in their housing or purchase it as long as they pay the higher rate related to their rising income.[1] The problem in the US is that there is no gray area for subsidized housing. As soon as you hit some magic number, you lose all of your benefits. The people who game the system to stay under this number are not stupid, but acting rationally because they know their new job may not stick around. They would rather have housing security than take a chance at losing everything and living in the street until their tax return shows that they are poor again. [1] https://www.newstatesman.com/spotlight/2019/09/housing-basic-human-right-vienna-model-social-housing https://www.newstatesman.com/spotlight/2019/09/housing-basic...

nicbou 5y ago

Berlin has a few city-owned housing companies [1] that provide above average service. You'd be much happier with DeGeWo than with Akelius. [1] https://allaboutberlin.com/guides/find-a-flat-in-berlin#housing-companies https://allaboutberlin.com/guides/find-a-flat-in-berlin#hous...

mnd999 5y ago

Sometimes that happens, but not always. Take the Barbican centre in London as a very well known counter example.

odiroot 5y ago
It's a part of the City though. Not sure it's comparable.

ZeroGravitas 5y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore Relevant quote "In 2008, Singapore was lauded by the United Nations Habitat's State of the World's Cities report as the only slum-free city in the world"

postingawayonhn 5y ago

I think that very much depends on whether government owner housing is a last resort for the poor or open to wider sections of the population.

imtringued 5y ago

This is an unhealthy opinion because it goes too far into either extreme.

beckman466 5y ago

> Socialized housing only creates slums. Tenants have no incentive to keep the place nice > destitute It sounds like you're one of those people who looks down on marginalized groups for no reason. Stop poor-hating.