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I'd just note some things Youtube doesn't have. It doesn't have any "the key words I'm interested are" section. It doesn't have any fine grained "show me less

I'd just note some things Youtube doesn't have. It doesn't have any "the key words I'm interested are" section. It doesn't have any fine grained "show me less like this" or "show me more like that" options. That all the filters of net (Google, FB, etc) have convinced users that an out-of-their control recommendation system is a triumph of this sort of system. If you just demand the recommendation system be different, you're just asking users be controlled in a different way. Edit: whenever I mention this, I get "but the users are morons and need to be lead". I'd say instead, users are often unthinking and need to be educated.

poink 5y ago
> I'd say instead, users are often unthinking and need to be educated. Oh, is that all?
rtpg 5y ago
What? YouTube has both of these features? Are you just using it without logging in?
frosted-flakes 5y ago
YouTube has the "Not interested" and "Don't recommend channel" buttons, as well as upvotes, upvotes, downvotes, and subscriptions.
- grumbel 5y ago
  Downvotes on Youtube do nothing, as the system still counts them as engagement and continues to recommend the videos. The issue with the "Not interested/Don't recommend channel" is that it's the nuclear option. It does make content go away, but more often than not, what I really want is just to watch something else right now. The content might be perfectly fine and up to my taste, but when Youtube keeps recommending the same stuff again and again, there is no easy way to just reduce that a little without nuking it completely.
- joe_the_user 5y ago
  As mentioned, downvotes do nothing. But the main thing missing isn't video-by-video like/dislike. The thing that's missing is something like a control panel. It would show "these are topics/tags I'm especially interested in", "these are topics/tags I want to avoid entirely", "these are things to show occasionally" "show topics similar to what I'm current watch" or not. All "but they have that objections" here seem very around "but it does have ways to give the opaque recommender suggestions" - yes, but how the recommender works is still unknown, "magical", opaque and how the suggestions will effect the recommender is also unknown. I mean, I happen to know the only way the only affect the recommender is to actually remove items from your history. That's pretty klunky. And it makes it impossible to say "give me X but not Y kind of X"

poink 5y ago

> I'd say instead, users are often unthinking and need to be educated. Oh, is that all?

rtpg 5y ago

What? YouTube has both of these features? Are you just using it without logging in?

frosted-flakes 5y ago

YouTube has the "Not interested" and "Don't recommend channel" buttons, as well as upvotes, upvotes, downvotes, and subscriptions.

grumbel 5y ago
Downvotes on Youtube do nothing, as the system still counts them as engagement and continues to recommend the videos. The issue with the "Not interested/Don't recommend channel" is that it's the nuclear option. It does make content go away, but more often than not, what I really want is just to watch something else right now. The content might be perfectly fine and up to my taste, but when Youtube keeps recommending the same stuff again and again, there is no easy way to just reduce that a little without nuking it completely.
joe_the_user 5y ago
As mentioned, downvotes do nothing. But the main thing missing isn't video-by-video like/dislike. The thing that's missing is something like a control panel. It would show "these are topics/tags I'm especially interested in", "these are topics/tags I want to avoid entirely", "these are things to show occasionally" "show topics similar to what I'm current watch" or not. All "but they have that objections" here seem very around "but it does have ways to give the opaque recommender suggestions" - yes, but how the recommender works is still unknown, "magical", opaque and how the suggestions will effect the recommender is also unknown. I mean, I happen to know the only way the only affect the recommender is to actually remove items from your history. That's pretty klunky. And it makes it impossible to say "give me X but not Y kind of X"