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> we still run it with an incredible robust infrastructure to have a human oversee the tech Airplanes are responsible for 200-300+ lives at a time, so it’s qui

by yunohn 5y ago

> we still run it with an incredible robust infrastructure to have a human oversee the tech Airplanes are responsible for 200-300+ lives at a time, so it’s quite incomparable to road vehicles. Of course it makes sense to have human oversight in case something goes wrong. On the flip side, the average car driver is not very skilled nor equipped to deal with most surprises - hence the ever present danger of road traffic. I’m not sure why AI drivers are held to such insanely high standards.

joe_the_user 5y ago
The claim that self-driving cars are being held-up to a higher standard than human drivers is simply false. Self-driving cars so far have a far worse record than the average of human drivers, which is remarkably good. Human accidents are measure in term of "per million miles driven". Self-driving cars have driven a tiny total distance compared to all the miles human drivers have driven. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...
- zwily 5y ago
  What’s the “accidents per million miles driven” metric at for self driving cars?
quantified 5y ago
I’m reminded of GWB’s “soft bigotry of low expectations”. (Even if you didn’t like him, it remains apt.) Sorry, most drivers I’ve seen avoid the kid that follows the bouncing ball into the street and all the other random events. A few drivers are crap. But justifying automation based on that few is lazy and incorrect. Elon is just full of his own crap on Tesla’s autopilot.
- logifail 5y ago
  > most drivers I’ve seen avoid the kid that follows the bouncing ball into the street and all the other random events I've seen many poor drivers over the decades, but can't think of any human drivers who would reliably and repeatably crash into a stationary fire truck in their lane. "Full Self Driving" vehicles, on the other hand... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-06/spotting-a-fire-truck-ahead-is-easy-for-people-not-so-for-cars https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-06/spotting-... https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-why-crash-radar/ https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-why-crash-radar/ https://slate.com/technology/2021/08/teslas-allegedly-hitting-emergency-vehicles-why-it-could-be-happening.html https://slate.com/technology/2021/08/teslas-allegedly-hittin...
lakis 5y ago
> Airplanes are responsible for 200-300+ lives at a time, so it’s quite incomparable to road vehicles Your analogy is wrong. Buses can have 50 people. I would compare a bus to a medium/small airplane.

by yunohn 5y ago

joe_the_user 5y ago

The claim that self-driving cars are being held-up to a higher standard than human drivers is simply false. Self-driving cars so far have a far worse record than the average of human drivers, which is remarkably good. Human accidents are measure in term of "per million miles driven". Self-driving cars have driven a tiny total distance compared to all the miles human drivers have driven. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...

zwily 5y ago
What’s the “accidents per million miles driven” metric at for self driving cars?

quantified 5y ago

I’m reminded of GWB’s “soft bigotry of low expectations”. (Even if you didn’t like him, it remains apt.) Sorry, most drivers I’ve seen avoid the kid that follows the bouncing ball into the street and all the other random events. A few drivers are crap. But justifying automation based on that few is lazy and incorrect. Elon is just full of his own crap on Tesla’s autopilot.

logifail 5y ago
> most drivers I’ve seen avoid the kid that follows the bouncing ball into the street and all the other random events I've seen many poor drivers over the decades, but can't think of any human drivers who would reliably and repeatably crash into a stationary fire truck in their lane. "Full Self Driving" vehicles, on the other hand... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-06/spotting-a-fire-truck-ahead-is-easy-for-people-not-so-for-cars https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-06/spotting-... https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-why-crash-radar/ https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-why-crash-radar/ https://slate.com/technology/2021/08/teslas-allegedly-hitting-emergency-vehicles-why-it-could-be-happening.html https://slate.com/technology/2021/08/teslas-allegedly-hittin...

lakis 5y ago

> Airplanes are responsible for 200-300+ lives at a time, so it’s quite incomparable to road vehicles Your analogy is wrong. Buses can have 50 people. I would compare a bus to a medium/small airplane.