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I agree - but do you think if they did that the haters would stop hating ?

refulgentis 5y ago
Assuming by hater you mean "someone who is scared by Full Self Driving including cars veering into pedestrians", it'd help me: I'm in an urban area and don't have a car, and I'd be lying if I claimed I wasn't always scared when I see a Tesla approach when I'm in a crosswalk, I'm never sure if Full Self Driving is on or not.
- misiti3780 5y ago
  "I'd be lying if I claimed I wasn't always scared when I see a Tesla approach when I'm in a crosswalk, I'm never sure if Full Self Driving is on or not." Sure - which is why I said I agreed there should be some indication of it being in FSD or not, originally.
  - refulgentis 5y ago
    Sure - which is why I'm answering your question regarding how haters will feel under this proposed intervention, that yes, you've agreed with
- Draiken 5y ago
  The problem is that you could apply that argument for a drunk driver, a distressed driver, a driver without a license, a driver that hasn't slept enough, etc. Any of those could mean a car could randomly turn into the crosswalk. Humans are horrible at assessing risk. We worry about Teslas because it's on the headlines now, but you're infinitely more likely to get ran over by one of the cited examples than a Tesla just by sheer statistics.
  - ragingrobot 5y ago
    Never mind the driver who can't wait the two to five seconds for the pedrestrian to cross, which is probably far more common than the above, and rather intentional. TBH I don't think it's ever crossed my mind whether a Tesla was in FSD or not, even when driving alongside one. As long as it doesn't enter my space, I'm fine. Walking through Manhattan, I'm more worried about the human driver nowadays than the non-human.
- criley2 5y ago
  Here's my hater take: "Full Self Driving" is an absolutely dangerous and egregious marketing lie. The vehicles are not full self driving and require by law a driver capable of taking over at a moments notice. I do not believe that Tesla's technology will ever achieve "Full self driving" (levels 4 or 5, where a driver isn't required https://www.nhtsa.gov/technology-innovation/automated-vehicles-safety https://www.nhtsa.gov/technology-innovation/automated-vehicl...), and the labeling of their "conditional automation" system as "full self driving" is an absolute travesty. People do honestly think they have bought a self driving car. The marketing lie absolutely tricks people.

Assuming by hater you mean "someone who is scared by Full Self Driving including cars veering into pedestrians", it'd help me: I'm in an urban area and don't have a car, and I'd be lying if I claimed I wasn't always scared when I see a Tesla approach when I'm in a crosswalk, I'm never sure if Full Self Driving is on or not.

misiti3780 5y ago
"I'd be lying if I claimed I wasn't always scared when I see a Tesla approach when I'm in a crosswalk, I'm never sure if Full Self Driving is on or not." Sure - which is why I said I agreed there should be some indication of it being in FSD or not, originally.
- refulgentis 5y ago
  Sure - which is why I'm answering your question regarding how haters will feel under this proposed intervention, that yes, you've agreed with
Draiken 5y ago
The problem is that you could apply that argument for a drunk driver, a distressed driver, a driver without a license, a driver that hasn't slept enough, etc. Any of those could mean a car could randomly turn into the crosswalk. Humans are horrible at assessing risk. We worry about Teslas because it's on the headlines now, but you're infinitely more likely to get ran over by one of the cited examples than a Tesla just by sheer statistics.
- ragingrobot 5y ago
  Never mind the driver who can't wait the two to five seconds for the pedrestrian to cross, which is probably far more common than the above, and rather intentional. TBH I don't think it's ever crossed my mind whether a Tesla was in FSD or not, even when driving alongside one. As long as it doesn't enter my space, I'm fine. Walking through Manhattan, I'm more worried about the human driver nowadays than the non-human.
criley2 5y ago
Here's my hater take: "Full Self Driving" is an absolutely dangerous and egregious marketing lie. The vehicles are not full self driving and require by law a driver capable of taking over at a moments notice. I do not believe that Tesla's technology will ever achieve "Full self driving" (levels 4 or 5, where a driver isn't required https://www.nhtsa.gov/technology-innovation/automated-vehicles-safety https://www.nhtsa.gov/technology-innovation/automated-vehicl...), and the labeling of their "conditional automation" system as "full self driving" is an absolute travesty. People do honestly think they have bought a self driving car. The marketing lie absolutely tricks people.