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It looks like the browser crashes on every screen change on Safari 15 on macOS...

charrondev 5y ago
Same on iOS. It’s been a while since I’ve seen a documentation site with a loader that goes multiple seconds.
mrweasel 5y ago
I didn't think Safari supported PWAs, or is that a new feature in 15? Personally I'm still not a fan of PWA. I don't see what they give me as a user, other than a worse experience than a native application would have.
- sroussey 5y ago
  No App Store, no install, no walled garden, no 30%.
  - mrweasel 5y ago
    As a user I like the App Store, all my software and purchases are all in on place. Installs aren’t really an issue, and less so if you like the app store. I can see the point about wall gardens, but you can still just install non-app store programs on all operating systems. Regarding the 30% I not convienced that saving are directly passed on to the end users. Edit: It just occurred to me that you might be think about software on phones. I don’t exactly care about mobile, but yes, then your argument makes more sense.
    - sroussey 5y ago
      Yes, I was thinking mobile when I wrote that. :)
- oefrha 5y ago
  PWA isn't a singular feature (well, beyond ServiceWorker, which is pretty essential), it's a group of loosely connected features exposing more native functionality to the web, and making the web app experience more native-like. The ServiceWorker API has been supported by iOS Safari for years: https://caniuse.com/mdn-api_serviceworker https://caniuse.com/mdn-api_serviceworker. When people complain about lack of PWA support on iOS Safari, usually the #1 complaint is lack of Web Push: https://caniuse.com/push-api https://caniuse.com/push-api. In this specific case, the site is working fine on iOS Safari 14, and Safari 15 TP on macOS Big Sur. I'm not sure if there are problems specific to Safari 15 on not-yet-released iOS 15 or macOS Monterey, I don't have an installation of either.
  - hbn 5y ago
    > When people complain about lack of PWA support on iOS Safari, usually the #1 complaint is lack of Web Push Good, web push is horrible and 99.9% of use cases are malicious. Take a look at your grandma's Android phone and she probably has 12 Chrome notifications saying she won a free iPad because she went on a site that asked to send notifications, and users are so used to user-hostile UX's that force you to agree to everything to use the site, they just hit "allow" so they can get to the content. I'm not surprised Apple doesn't want that on the iPhone.

Same on iOS. It’s been a while since I’ve seen a documentation site with a loader that goes multiple seconds.

I didn't think Safari supported PWAs, or is that a new feature in 15? Personally I'm still not a fan of PWA. I don't see what they give me as a user, other than a worse experience than a native application would have.

sroussey 5y ago
No App Store, no install, no walled garden, no 30%.
- mrweasel 5y ago
  As a user I like the App Store, all my software and purchases are all in on place. Installs aren’t really an issue, and less so if you like the app store. I can see the point about wall gardens, but you can still just install non-app store programs on all operating systems. Regarding the 30% I not convienced that saving are directly passed on to the end users. Edit: It just occurred to me that you might be think about software on phones. I don’t exactly care about mobile, but yes, then your argument makes more sense.
  - sroussey 5y ago
    Yes, I was thinking mobile when I wrote that. :)
oefrha 5y ago
PWA isn't a singular feature (well, beyond ServiceWorker, which is pretty essential), it's a group of loosely connected features exposing more native functionality to the web, and making the web app experience more native-like. The ServiceWorker API has been supported by iOS Safari for years: https://caniuse.com/mdn-api_serviceworker https://caniuse.com/mdn-api_serviceworker. When people complain about lack of PWA support on iOS Safari, usually the #1 complaint is lack of Web Push: https://caniuse.com/push-api https://caniuse.com/push-api. In this specific case, the site is working fine on iOS Safari 14, and Safari 15 TP on macOS Big Sur. I'm not sure if there are problems specific to Safari 15 on not-yet-released iOS 15 or macOS Monterey, I don't have an installation of either.
- hbn 5y ago
  > When people complain about lack of PWA support on iOS Safari, usually the #1 complaint is lack of Web Push Good, web push is horrible and 99.9% of use cases are malicious. Take a look at your grandma's Android phone and she probably has 12 Chrome notifications saying she won a free iPad because she went on a site that asked to send notifications, and users are so used to user-hostile UX's that force you to agree to everything to use the site, they just hit "allow" so they can get to the content. I'm not surprised Apple doesn't want that on the iPhone.