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Even Navalny and his supporters are not calling for foreign companies to all pull out of Russia. What makes you think you know better what is good for the Russi
by simonh 5y ago
Even Navalny and his supporters are not calling for foreign companies to all pull out of Russia. What makes you think you know better what is good for the Russian people and the opposition groups than Russians and the opposition groups themselves?
How many of Russia's Apple employees think Apple is "participating in dictatorship" by employing them? How many Russian citizens, including the political opposition, do you think blame Apple or Google for participating in dictatorship by selling them phones and providing them with services? Maybe a few take such an extreme view, but it certainly doesn't seem to be a common attitude for Russian opponents of Putin.
- baybal2 5y ago> What makes you think you know better what is good for the Russian people and the opposition groups than Russians and the opposition groups themselves? Because if regime's economy collapses, the regime will collapse sooner.
- Dah00n 5y agoAnd then we likely have a pure dictatorship with the worlds second biggest nuclear arsenal and thousands of Russians will likely die from things like starvation and being killed by the new regime (or the old while it dies). No-one wins by killing off a regime. That is "let's bomb this country into democracy" thinking.
- varjag 5y agoIt is a pure dictatorship for a while now.
- simonh 5y agoCollapsing economies simply make autocrats double down even harder on autocracy. North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, Zimbabwe. There are numerous examples of this. It simply multiplies the misery.
- baybal2 5y agoWhy is this even relevant? You always have to keep heads of your enemies down. That's basic common sense. Dictatorships are the enemies of the Free World. Or, do you think they are friends, perhaps? They are your enemies, and you keep their economies ruined.
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- ClumsyPilot 5y ago-1 Point for faiure to distinguish between the mobsters in charge and general population -1 point for dillusional idea that cuba is an enemy or a threat to the us or anyone fir that matter -1 point fir lack of self-reflection on how free we are becoming -1 point for cruelty
- baybal2 5y agoI am not cruel, I am a follower of strong humanist beliefs. Life in shit is worse than death, way worse. I will at least give people a choice of two. If you force people to live in shit, just so they can live, you are cruel. I am very reflective. I see the West turning into a serial facilitator of rogue, and fascist regimes for some "special relationships." If they deserve fire for that, I think they really should. It's been 20 years since 9/11, and USA is still sucking up to the Saudi Regime for really nothing of benefit — this is what I will call a real lack of self-reflection. Cuba is not a threat, but it very much will be if you leave its neck out of your hands for a second. The Cuban state is the biggest threat to Cuban people. Thank them for good healthcare, but then smack them good for near starving their people despite Cuba being chock full of agricultural land for a country of 10M, inventing silly excuses for it, and jailing anybody pointing a finger on that. I see the mob in charge, very much see. I personally knew people who lost all their livelihood to having their business robbed, and seized. The general population don't want you, the West to keep feeding Putin's bottomless mouth. They are not idiots. They see every gram of food the West gives the regime, the regime uses to grow bigger, and stronger, and then bite, and rob them even more.
- ako 5y agoRegime collapse doesn't mean something better will replace it. Russia collapsed end of the 80s, but what replaced it leaves a lot to be desired...
- baybal2 5y agoAnd it did, because the West left half way, and never backed Yelzin at finally dismantling the system. It was critical. And after he had his second stroke, he was a walking vegetable basically, and the opportunity was lost. You are very demoralised.
- jacquesm 5y agoWell, yes. But for Russia's former satellite states things definitely improved.
- nzmsv 5y agoI think you cherry-picked here. You are thinking about the Baltics and forgetting about places like Uzbekistan (now broke) and Kazakhstan (rich but authoritarian). And even if you say these are former republics rather than satellites, think of the mess that is Serbia. The fall of the USSR may have been overall a good thing and even inevitable, as with any huge disruption it was not an unequivocal good thing for every single person.
- baybal2 5y ago> huge disruption it was not an unequivocal good thing for every single person. I think even in the Central Asian North Korea — Uzbekistan, a person now lives more freely, and richer than the wealthiest USSR citizens did.
- sannysanoff 5y agoHave you ever googled, bro? >> After the collapse of the USSR, economic reforms were not fully implemented in Uzbekistan, conditions for the development of medium and small businesses were not created, corruption took root, and unemployment increased. Many wonder: if it is better now than in the past, why have about two to five million Uzbek citizens left their country in search of work? via bbs.com (!!!) https://www.bbc.com/russian/international/2014/10/141015_uzbekistan_independence_soviet_past https://www.bbc.com/russian/international/2014/10/141015_uzb... .. and where do you think they migrated to, from their country that is on its way to Middle Ages? To Putin's dark regime's Russia, nowhere else, working there as construction and road workers etc. You've got a good chance to compare your reality with real reality, my friend.
- fsflover 5y agoThe actual problem is not that Apple removed the app. It's that there is no other way to install the app if Apple removes it from their store.
- 6510 5y agoThe problem is that everyone is now talking about the app and the prisoner. Good luck putting the genie back in the bottle.
- lupire 5y agoPutin doesn't care what you, a foreigner, talk about. He cares about preserving his dictatorship.
- simondotau 5y agoI can't imagine how such an app could be in any way complicated. Why is it not just a website?
- fsflover 5y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28562772 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28562772
- simondotau 5y agoThanks. Honestly though I'm surprised, I would have thought blocking specific HTTPS websites wasn't so easy.
- JamesSwift 5y agoThe domain is still typically passed unencrypted with HTTPS
- whimsicalism 5y agoHTTPS reveals domain, only subdomain/folder is encrypted.
- chupasaurus 5y ago> How many of Russia's Apple employees I don't think there is any: Apple has never operated in Russia directly and I doubt there are employees working remotely from Russia.
- fsociety 5y agoApple likely does not have engineers, designers, or execs in Russia… but they have Russian Apple stores etc. whom are all Apple employees.
- lostmsu 5y agoAre you trying to appeal, that because majority of people believe something contrary to the opinion of the parent comment, he is wrong? What makes you think they know better, than him?