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I have been using Windows 11 as a daily driver and don't really understand people's hostility towards it. It is definitely an upgrade over Windows 10. Comparing

I have been using Windows 11 as a daily driver and don't really understand people's hostility towards it. It is definitely an upgrade over Windows 10. Comparing it to Vista is nonsensical. I don't agree with a few decisions (like making centering the menu a default?) but most are easily fixed. I would like to see them delay it to fix some problems, but it's possible those will already be fleshed out by launch.

babypuncher 5y ago
People just don't like change. There will be lots of weeping and wailing an gnashing of teeth, then people will grow accustomed to it. Same happened with 8 and 10. The furor over 8's missing start menu was intense, even though it takes literally seconds to install Classic Shell and get a better start menu than Windows 7 ever had. In 3-4 years the cycle will repeat again with Windows 12.
- tartoran 5y ago
  Why change something that you already are familiar with and already sunk time to master your own workflow on? Let that be people’s decision, not get it forced down their throats. Windows has been taking control from the users, became agressive with telemetry, inability to control when you want to apply upgrades, lost work on sessions due to automatic upgrades, removed settings after upgrade, interminable waits after upgrde when you really need the computer urgently to do something on and a lot of other things moved about back and forth because Microsoft couldn’t take their time and make a sound decision and stick with it.
  - guardian5x 5y ago
    There are often reasons to change, and sometimes reasons to keep things. A lot of it is subjective.
    - wruza 5y ago
      Since when “subjective” became “irrelevant”? You love how your home is built and you’ve done much to make its rooms and areas comfortable and useful. You know it from the roof to the basement. “Nah, a lot of it is subjective”, says the Home Redesign Standarten Führer and rebuilds it from scratch every few years, throwing out “this unnecessary, that obsolete” furniture and appliances. “There are often reasons to change, sir, and sometimes reasons to keep things”, mentions he, looking at you insightfully in his black uniform, while you’re trying to cope with the irreversible damage.
      - deelly 5y ago
        There is a small difference between home and software. Also between software and vehicle..
- Someone1234 5y ago
  > People just don't like change. People don't like clearly unfinished products rushed to market before they're ready.
  - judge2020 5y ago
    I wonder if people have tried the most recent W11 updates. It feels like a polished release candidate, and some in my inner circle also running W11 will say the same.
  - q-rews 5y ago
    No, more like what the parent said. People hated visa with passion but I had been running its beta as my main driver for 6 months before it was released. Imagine that, Windows Vista beta. The only advantage I had over the majority is that it was a brand new computer (with 2GB of RAM, wow) so I did not experience slowdowns. Vista was better than XP in every way except performance on the low-end. Windows 8 was an exciting change from Microsoft, but yeah some things weren't fixed until 8.1 and the damage was done.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  I still don't like Windows 8 at all, Windows 10 was a rollback in my opinion, I use it exactly as I did use Windows 7.
armchairhacker 5y ago
I’m not hostile towards it, but so far i see no reason to upgrade. What new features does Windows 11 have that Windows 10 doesnt?
- speakersPushAir 5y ago
  A built-in X for WSL
  - oscribinn 5y ago
    If only WSL2 wasn't half baked dogshit that breaks all networked features over VPN and this release didn't spin up my work computer's fans to max at all times, windows 11 might be usable.
    - arcosdev 5y ago
      It's so true. My work laptop is unusable running wsl2.
- rossmohax 5y ago
  Direct Storage?
  - brynjolf 5y ago
    Direct storage is coming to Windows 10 but apparently there will be a performance difference, still unknown as it isn't released at all
    - rossmohax 5y ago
      I am pretty sure Windows 10 will provide API, which is then implemented using existing kernel facilities with no perf gains, whilst Windows 11 kernel will have new subsystems for performance boost. Pure speculation, something like multi queue block layer (similar to blk-mq in Linux) or new IO subsystem (similar to io_uring , to replace dated IOCP) might be an option.
pjmlp 5y ago
Easy, when coming from Windows developer experince since 3.0 days, and been burned by the rewrite hell yearly cycle that started with Windows 8. Now better wait for Windows 12 until they make their mind what Windows desktop APIs are supposed to look like.
ImaCake 5y ago
I've been using the beta for a week or so. It's pretty nice honestly. I got the beta because you can setup different wallpapers for each of your virtual desktops. I really like that feature and found nothing else either much better or worse. I do find the search function is snappier and more accurate though. If anything this is a return to windows 7. It is definitely not problematic like vista or 8.

babypuncher 5y ago

People just don't like change. There will be lots of weeping and wailing an gnashing of teeth, then people will grow accustomed to it. Same happened with 8 and 10. The furor over 8's missing start menu was intense, even though it takes literally seconds to install Classic Shell and get a better start menu than Windows 7 ever had. In 3-4 years the cycle will repeat again with Windows 12.

tartoran 5y ago
Why change something that you already are familiar with and already sunk time to master your own workflow on? Let that be people’s decision, not get it forced down their throats. Windows has been taking control from the users, became agressive with telemetry, inability to control when you want to apply upgrades, lost work on sessions due to automatic upgrades, removed settings after upgrade, interminable waits after upgrde when you really need the computer urgently to do something on and a lot of other things moved about back and forth because Microsoft couldn’t take their time and make a sound decision and stick with it.
- guardian5x 5y ago
  There are often reasons to change, and sometimes reasons to keep things. A lot of it is subjective.
  - wruza 5y ago
    Since when “subjective” became “irrelevant”? You love how your home is built and you’ve done much to make its rooms and areas comfortable and useful. You know it from the roof to the basement. “Nah, a lot of it is subjective”, says the Home Redesign Standarten Führer and rebuilds it from scratch every few years, throwing out “this unnecessary, that obsolete” furniture and appliances. “There are often reasons to change, sir, and sometimes reasons to keep things”, mentions he, looking at you insightfully in his black uniform, while you’re trying to cope with the irreversible damage.
    - deelly 5y ago
      There is a small difference between home and software. Also between software and vehicle..
Someone1234 5y ago
> People just don't like change. People don't like clearly unfinished products rushed to market before they're ready.
- judge2020 5y ago
  I wonder if people have tried the most recent W11 updates. It feels like a polished release candidate, and some in my inner circle also running W11 will say the same.
- q-rews 5y ago
  No, more like what the parent said. People hated visa with passion but I had been running its beta as my main driver for 6 months before it was released. Imagine that, Windows Vista beta. The only advantage I had over the majority is that it was a brand new computer (with 2GB of RAM, wow) so I did not experience slowdowns. Vista was better than XP in every way except performance on the low-end. Windows 8 was an exciting change from Microsoft, but yeah some things weren't fixed until 8.1 and the damage was done.
raxxorrax 5y ago
I still don't like Windows 8 at all, Windows 10 was a rollback in my opinion, I use it exactly as I did use Windows 7.

armchairhacker 5y ago

I’m not hostile towards it, but so far i see no reason to upgrade. What new features does Windows 11 have that Windows 10 doesnt?

speakersPushAir 5y ago
A built-in X for WSL
- oscribinn 5y ago
  If only WSL2 wasn't half baked dogshit that breaks all networked features over VPN and this release didn't spin up my work computer's fans to max at all times, windows 11 might be usable.
  - arcosdev 5y ago
    It's so true. My work laptop is unusable running wsl2.
rossmohax 5y ago
Direct Storage?
- brynjolf 5y ago
  Direct storage is coming to Windows 10 but apparently there will be a performance difference, still unknown as it isn't released at all
  - rossmohax 5y ago
    I am pretty sure Windows 10 will provide API, which is then implemented using existing kernel facilities with no perf gains, whilst Windows 11 kernel will have new subsystems for performance boost. Pure speculation, something like multi queue block layer (similar to blk-mq in Linux) or new IO subsystem (similar to io_uring , to replace dated IOCP) might be an option.

pjmlp 5y ago

Easy, when coming from Windows developer experince since 3.0 days, and been burned by the rewrite hell yearly cycle that started with Windows 8. Now better wait for Windows 12 until they make their mind what Windows desktop APIs are supposed to look like.

ImaCake 5y ago

I've been using the beta for a week or so. It's pretty nice honestly. I got the beta because you can setup different wallpapers for each of your virtual desktops. I really like that feature and found nothing else either much better or worse. I do find the search function is snappier and more accurate though. If anything this is a return to windows 7. It is definitely not problematic like vista or 8.