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Why are We Vaccinating Children against Covid-19?

11 points by AndrewBissell 5y ago

chaganated 5y ago
to minimize the control group into irrelevance
d0mine 5y ago
Sounds like complete BS: "A novel best-case scenario cost-benefit analysis showed very conservatively that there are five times the number of deaths attributable to each inoculation vs those attributable to COVID-19 in the most vulnerable 65+ demographic."
- listless 5y ago
  Any data to back up that feeling?
- Gibbon1 5y ago
  Yeah vaccines provide moderate protection generally. What provides the bulk of the protection is herd immunity. To get functional herd immunity you need to vaccinate children.
  - BizarroLand 5y ago
    Even if children don't die of Covid at the same rate as adults, they are still carriers after all.
    - Gibbon1 5y ago
      Mentionable is a lot of especially poorer kids live in multigenerational households. Children can get infectd with covid in school and then infect their grandparents that live with them. I like to point out having their parents and grandparents get sick and die from Covid has a huge negative effect on children. That vastly outweighs the minimal risk of vaccination. Something like 50,000 children have lost a parent. And a few million children have lost a grandparent. That's bad.
  - swader999 5y ago
    You won't get herd immunity with this. It mutates fast and can live in animal reservoirs. Cats, dogs, deer.
- vannevar 5y ago
  This article is junk. They take the death rate within 7 days of vaccination in people aged 65+ from VAERS data and attribute all the reported deaths (20 per million vaccinations) to the vaccination. But the annual death rate for the 65-84 age group alone is over 5000/yr per 100K individuals, translating into about 100 expected deaths in any given week per 100K, regardless of vaccination. So if you vaccinated 1M people aged 65-84, you'd expect over 1000 to die within the week even if you injected them with saline solution.
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    On the other hand that was how COVID deaths were counted too.
    - vannevar 5y ago
      No, it wasn't. Excess mortality studies track well with Covid deaths, if anything Covid deaths have been under counted. (See e.g. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778361 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778361).
alisonkisk 5y ago
This article proposes unknown long term negative side effects of vaccines, but assumes no long term negative side effects of Covid-19. It also counts every elderly person who died after inoculation*, with no time limit, as killed by the vaccine. * The authors refuse to call it a vaccine, because it's not 100% effective at preventing infection. The article was written in July, making hay about 6000 total reported deaths in people who were vaccinated, er, inoculated, before the latest wave started killing a surplus of 1000 unvaccinated people (relative to vaccinated): per day. This is not science.
Nomentatus 5y ago
Why? Because a principle way our bodies fight viruses is by killing our own (infected) cells. When you kill large numbers of cells in a young child, that child won't grow to the same height, won't have the same IQ, and won't live as long. There are interesting radiological data for comparison. We should have prioritized vaccinating children, but didn't. This is a likely source of a lot of (perhaps most of) the Flynn effect over the last century and more.

11 points by AndrewBissell 5y ago

to minimize the control group into irrelevance

Sounds like complete BS: "A novel best-case scenario cost-benefit analysis showed very conservatively that there are five times the number of deaths attributable to each inoculation vs those attributable to COVID-19 in the most vulnerable 65+ demographic."

listless 5y ago
Any data to back up that feeling?
Gibbon1 5y ago
Yeah vaccines provide moderate protection generally. What provides the bulk of the protection is herd immunity. To get functional herd immunity you need to vaccinate children.
- BizarroLand 5y ago
  Even if children don't die of Covid at the same rate as adults, they are still carriers after all.
  - Gibbon1 5y ago
    Mentionable is a lot of especially poorer kids live in multigenerational households. Children can get infectd with covid in school and then infect their grandparents that live with them. I like to point out having their parents and grandparents get sick and die from Covid has a huge negative effect on children. That vastly outweighs the minimal risk of vaccination. Something like 50,000 children have lost a parent. And a few million children have lost a grandparent. That's bad.
- swader999 5y ago
  You won't get herd immunity with this. It mutates fast and can live in animal reservoirs. Cats, dogs, deer.
vannevar 5y ago
This article is junk. They take the death rate within 7 days of vaccination in people aged 65+ from VAERS data and attribute all the reported deaths (20 per million vaccinations) to the vaccination. But the annual death rate for the 65-84 age group alone is over 5000/yr per 100K individuals, translating into about 100 expected deaths in any given week per 100K, regardless of vaccination. So if you vaccinated 1M people aged 65-84, you'd expect over 1000 to die within the week even if you injected them with saline solution.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  On the other hand that was how COVID deaths were counted too.
  - vannevar 5y ago
    No, it wasn't. Excess mortality studies track well with Covid deaths, if anything Covid deaths have been under counted. (See e.g. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778361 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778361).

alisonkisk 5y ago

This article proposes unknown long term negative side effects of vaccines, but assumes no long term negative side effects of Covid-19. It also counts every elderly person who died after inoculation*, with no time limit, as killed by the vaccine. * The authors refuse to call it a vaccine, because it's not 100% effective at preventing infection. The article was written in July, making hay about 6000 total reported deaths in people who were vaccinated, er, inoculated, before the latest wave started killing a surplus of 1000 unvaccinated people (relative to vaccinated): per day. This is not science.

Nomentatus 5y ago

Why? Because a principle way our bodies fight viruses is by killing our own (infected) cells. When you kill large numbers of cells in a young child, that child won't grow to the same height, won't have the same IQ, and won't live as long. There are interesting radiological data for comparison. We should have prioritized vaccinating children, but didn't. This is a likely source of a lot of (perhaps most of) the Flynn effect over the last century and more.