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We keep no activity logs. Your IP address is replaced by one of ours, ensuring that your device's activity and location are not linked to you. Where have we se
by Scarbutt 5y ago
We keep no activity logs. Your IP address is replaced by one of ours, ensuring that your device's activity and location are not linked to you.
Where have we seen this before... ;)
Surely if requested by their government they will keep logs for any specific customer, just like it happen with protonmail.
- Nextgrid 5y agoI don't get the business model of a VPN. You're willingly becoming a magnet for scum, crime, piracy and malware, with maybe 1% of legitimate users. Surely the support costs of dealing with all the constant abuse reports would outweigh the fee they are charging, not to mention the costs of running the infrastructure (if they're used for piracy they'd need quite a bit of bandwidth)? Even if you are legally in the clear, it doesn't strike me as a business someone wants to get involved in unless there are alternative objectives they don't disclose.
- ziddoap 5y ago>with maybe 1% of legitimate users I'm interested to know where you sourced that number? There are plenty of legitimate use cases for a VPN. While I agree there is definitely users with subpar intentions, I highly doubt 99% of people subscribing to a VPN are doing it because they are 'scum'.
- danachow 5y agoI mean his comment is the illustrative argument for why VPNs exist. Basically in a world where a Westerner (a historically relatively more liberal bunch) categorizes 99% of everything they don’t agree with as scum, copyright infringement, or worse - that’s all the motivation you need for safe, reliable communication infrastructure.
- oefrha 5y ago> Surely the support costs of dealing with all the constant abuse reports would outweigh the fee they are charging Employing /dev/null to handle abuse reports is usually pretty cheap.
- tmp538394722 5y agoIs piracy not a legitimate usage?
- Nextgrid 5y agoPiracy is something that some powerful entities would prefer you didn't do. Some people may consider it legitimate, some don't, but from a business point of view the problem is that you still have some big guys with big budgets against you.
- Arainach 5y agoNo, it's not. You have no inherent right to others' work. You can pay the owners' requested price or you can go without. Piracy is neither legally nor morally defensible.
- probably_wrong 5y agoYou can definitely make a moral argument in favor of piracy as a form of civil disobedience. Aaron Schwartz [1] and the book Free Culture[2] are the two bigger examples that come to mind. [1] https://cccc.ncte.org/cccc/committees/ip/ipreports/swartzcase https://cccc.ncte.org/cccc/committees/ip/ipreports/swartzcas... [2] https://lessig.org/product/free-culture/ https://lessig.org/product/free-culture/
- Arainach 5y agoLessig's point isn't what you're making it out to be. Lessening the length of copyright isn't endorsement of wholesale piracy. Artists need food, shelter, and comfort just like everyone else. Those things cost money. Even an artist who feels a need to create needs enough funding to survive and get materials. Great works of art require funding. This is particularly true for things like movies and video games - you can have some smaller indie passion projects, but the kind of funding for AAA games or blockbuster movies doesn't just appear out of thin air - it requires a return on investment. If piracy was widespread and universally acceptable, this content would not exist. Again, AAA games aren't a couple of passionate friends. George on the engine team doesn't want to spend 2 days hunting down an obscure collision detection bug if they're not getting paid.
- RealStickman_ 5y agoVPNs, at least in Switzerland, are regulated differently and aren't forced to give up their customers.
- JoachimS 5y agoMullvad is from Sweden. Not only spelled differently but has different laws and legal system too.