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Guns are not the way to do anything

by itsme-alan 5y ago

ryan93 5y ago
If a women shots and kills her abuser how can he abuse her when he is dead?
- Avshalom 5y ago
  https://www.domesticshelters.org/articles/in-the-news/women-serve-longer-prison-sentences-after-killing-abusers https://www.domesticshelters.org/articles/in-the-news/women-...
  - jsudi 5y ago
    Then those women should also buy a silencer and a bag of caustic soda.
  - ryan93 5y ago
    Dont tell me what i already know
    - ryan93 5y ago
      It would literally solve the problem though. Police should really be able to install hidden cameras at the request of abuse victims.
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opaidsj9123 5y ago
I sincerely wish they were not necessary. However we live in a world where people are attacked, raped, and murdered with enough frequency that owning a gun to defend yourself is reasonable.
- onethought 5y ago
  Which world/country are you referring to?
  - stuff4ben 5y ago
    You live in a place where none of that happens? Really?
    - abestic9 5y ago
      People around the world are living in places where guns are not used as a solution to crime. There are many in fact that view guns as more of a problem than a solution.
      - stuff4ben 5y ago
        Nice job not answering the question. If you're being raped or mugged, would you rather A) wait until it's over to call the police who may or may not do anything or B) defend yourself with a gun before you are raped or mugged? There is a third answer C) have physical/martial training to fight your way out of it, but never bring a fist to a gun or knife fight. A gun is not a "solution to crime" as you said. In the hands of a potential victim, it is a "preventative from the crime ever happening".
        abestic9 5y ago
        I can see why anti-rape self-defense is a popular rhetoric as gun ownership has indeed prevented crimes, and not being raped is a very good thing. Unfortunately, it's also used often as an emotional sales tactic, causing people who shouldn't be in possession of a gun to be in possession of one, resulting in unnecessary injury and death. Coupled with the fact that even if you arm every single person capable with a gun, there's still going to be crime, you have to consider a balance. Some countries are doing very well without them.
        5y ago
refurb 5y ago
Pretty sure the Taliban disagrees.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
In unequal power situations, guns are mighty useful. A world where no one needs firearms is a nice ideal, but unfortunately we don't live in that world. The police cannot be trusted to show up anywhere in time to defend you, and in fact might shoot you instead of whoever is attacking you anyway. Are many firearm proponents ideologically crazy and/or reckless? Unfortunately Yes. Does this have negative societal consequences? Yes. Should we work towards a world where no one feels the need to own a firearm for self defence? Absolutely. But saying that firearms "are not the way to do anything" is just denying reality.
- soco 5y ago
  Somehow I never read news about "rapist shot dead by attacked woman". Are you positive that buying more firearms will make it happen? Because it definitely doesn't look we're there yet.
  - AustinDev 5y ago
    There dozens of defensive uses of firearms daily. Many don’t result in shooting and even when they do they rarely make local news and certainly not beyond. There are a few sources that are trying to catalog these events I’ll try to snag one when I’m not on mobile. I’ve had to use a firearm before and it was never reported because no one got shot.
  - jabedude 5y ago
    Have you considered that you don't hear about those defensive uses because your sources of news simply don't report them? 1. https://www.fox13memphis.com/top-stories/teen-tries-to-rape-friend-s-mom-during-sleepover-police-say/763282193/ https://www.fox13memphis.com/top-stories/teen-tries-to-rape-... 2. https://www.foxnews.com/us/south-carolina-mother-of-3-shoots-home-invader-i-wouldve-killed-him-if-i-had-to https://www.foxnews.com/us/south-carolina-mother-of-3-shoots... 3. https://www.azfamily.com/news/us_world_news/police-woman-shoots-kills-man-peeping-into-her-bedroom-window/article_04fb4df3-d885-5c26-a4bf-817db7b3033d.html https://www.azfamily.com/news/us_world_news/police-woman-sho... 4. https://www.al.com/news/anniston-gadsden/2015/04/17-year-old_shot_during_home_i.html?utm_source=reddit.com https://www.al.com/news/anniston-gadsden/2015/04/17-year-old... 5. https://myfox8.com/news/nc-grandfather-shoots-home-invaders-protects-granddaughter-from-being-raped/ https://myfox8.com/news/nc-grandfather-shoots-home-invaders-... 6. https://www.kltv.com/2019/12/05/tyler-police-arrive-scene-find-man-holding-sex-assault-suspect-gunpoint/ https://www.kltv.com/2019/12/05/tyler-police-arrive-scene-fi...
2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
Do you have a right to defend yourself when your life is threatened and fleeing is not an option? If so, then why should your physical stature limit you?
yhoneycomb 5y ago
“Political power flows from the barrel of the gun.”
AlgorithmicTime 5y ago
They're an excellent way to stop an aggressor. >God made man, and Sam Colt made them equal!
AnEro 5y ago
I thought that too, then I saw LA police slowly drive past a trans woman screaming for help to flag them down as her and her friends were getting mugged, which lead later to assault. There's video evidence since the mugger was on insta live and recording it to get clout, then a friend assaulted another trans woman on as their friends laughed at her. That logic works if you can trust the police to do the bare minimum. With video evidence, and the assailants live-streaming repeatedly after from their apartments bragging about the assault, trying to hype up their rap career. It took weeks to get the police to do anything about it, where they would tell the women that they had no leads despite the livestreams. If someone I'm with or myself is allowed to have a gun I prefer it.
- AustinDev 5y ago
  Police will never protect you. If you want to be able to defend yourself and your family either be rich enough to have private security or train to use a gun, if you have the right. Many of our offices are guarded by guys with guns and many of the anti-gun advocates you see on TV have bodyguards with guns.
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seneca 5y ago
That is an extremely naive view of the world. Many places in the world have long response times for police. A home invader is now going to wait patiently for the police to come save you. Revolutions against tyrannical government are quite difficult for an unarmed population. Many poor families feed themselves via hunting. I personally grew up in that situation and know many people who still experience it.
eplanit 5y ago
Tell that to a home invader who just kicked in your front door at 2am.
rubyist5eva 5y ago
Tell that to the criminal with guns breaking into your home and taking all your property.

Guns are not the way to do anything

ryan93 5y ago

If a women shots and kills her abuser how can he abuse her when he is dead?

Avshalom 5y ago
https://www.domesticshelters.org/articles/in-the-news/women-serve-longer-prison-sentences-after-killing-abusers https://www.domesticshelters.org/articles/in-the-news/women-...
- jsudi 5y ago
  Then those women should also buy a silencer and a bag of caustic soda.
- ryan93 5y ago
  Dont tell me what i already know
  - ryan93 5y ago
    It would literally solve the problem though. Police should really be able to install hidden cameras at the request of abuse victims.

deleted 5y ago

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opaidsj9123 5y ago

I sincerely wish they were not necessary. However we live in a world where people are attacked, raped, and murdered with enough frequency that owning a gun to defend yourself is reasonable.

onethought 5y ago
Which world/country are you referring to?
- stuff4ben 5y ago
  You live in a place where none of that happens? Really?
  - abestic9 5y ago
    People around the world are living in places where guns are not used as a solution to crime. There are many in fact that view guns as more of a problem than a solution.
    - stuff4ben 5y ago
      Nice job not answering the question. If you're being raped or mugged, would you rather A) wait until it's over to call the police who may or may not do anything or B) defend yourself with a gun before you are raped or mugged? There is a third answer C) have physical/martial training to fight your way out of it, but never bring a fist to a gun or knife fight. A gun is not a "solution to crime" as you said. In the hands of a potential victim, it is a "preventative from the crime ever happening".
      - abestic9 5y ago
        I can see why anti-rape self-defense is a popular rhetoric as gun ownership has indeed prevented crimes, and not being raped is a very good thing. Unfortunately, it's also used often as an emotional sales tactic, causing people who shouldn't be in possession of a gun to be in possession of one, resulting in unnecessary injury and death. Coupled with the fact that even if you arm every single person capable with a gun, there's still going to be crime, you have to consider a balance. Some countries are doing very well without them.
        5y ago

refurb 5y ago

Pretty sure the Taliban disagrees.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago

In unequal power situations, guns are mighty useful. A world where no one needs firearms is a nice ideal, but unfortunately we don't live in that world. The police cannot be trusted to show up anywhere in time to defend you, and in fact might shoot you instead of whoever is attacking you anyway. Are many firearm proponents ideologically crazy and/or reckless? Unfortunately Yes. Does this have negative societal consequences? Yes. Should we work towards a world where no one feels the need to own a firearm for self defence? Absolutely. But saying that firearms "are not the way to do anything" is just denying reality.

soco 5y ago
Somehow I never read news about "rapist shot dead by attacked woman". Are you positive that buying more firearms will make it happen? Because it definitely doesn't look we're there yet.
- AustinDev 5y ago
  There dozens of defensive uses of firearms daily. Many don’t result in shooting and even when they do they rarely make local news and certainly not beyond. There are a few sources that are trying to catalog these events I’ll try to snag one when I’m not on mobile. I’ve had to use a firearm before and it was never reported because no one got shot.
- jabedude 5y ago
  Have you considered that you don't hear about those defensive uses because your sources of news simply don't report them? 1. https://www.fox13memphis.com/top-stories/teen-tries-to-rape-friend-s-mom-during-sleepover-police-say/763282193/ https://www.fox13memphis.com/top-stories/teen-tries-to-rape-... 2. https://www.foxnews.com/us/south-carolina-mother-of-3-shoots-home-invader-i-wouldve-killed-him-if-i-had-to https://www.foxnews.com/us/south-carolina-mother-of-3-shoots... 3. https://www.azfamily.com/news/us_world_news/police-woman-shoots-kills-man-peeping-into-her-bedroom-window/article_04fb4df3-d885-5c26-a4bf-817db7b3033d.html https://www.azfamily.com/news/us_world_news/police-woman-sho... 4. https://www.al.com/news/anniston-gadsden/2015/04/17-year-old_shot_during_home_i.html?utm_source=reddit.com https://www.al.com/news/anniston-gadsden/2015/04/17-year-old... 5. https://myfox8.com/news/nc-grandfather-shoots-home-invaders-protects-granddaughter-from-being-raped/ https://myfox8.com/news/nc-grandfather-shoots-home-invaders-... 6. https://www.kltv.com/2019/12/05/tyler-police-arrive-scene-find-man-holding-sex-assault-suspect-gunpoint/ https://www.kltv.com/2019/12/05/tyler-police-arrive-scene-fi...

2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago

Do you have a right to defend yourself when your life is threatened and fleeing is not an option? If so, then why should your physical stature limit you?

yhoneycomb 5y ago

“Political power flows from the barrel of the gun.”

AlgorithmicTime 5y ago

They're an excellent way to stop an aggressor. >God made man, and Sam Colt made them equal!

AnEro 5y ago

I thought that too, then I saw LA police slowly drive past a trans woman screaming for help to flag them down as her and her friends were getting mugged, which lead later to assault. There's video evidence since the mugger was on insta live and recording it to get clout, then a friend assaulted another trans woman on as their friends laughed at her. That logic works if you can trust the police to do the bare minimum. With video evidence, and the assailants live-streaming repeatedly after from their apartments bragging about the assault, trying to hype up their rap career. It took weeks to get the police to do anything about it, where they would tell the women that they had no leads despite the livestreams. If someone I'm with or myself is allowed to have a gun I prefer it.

AustinDev 5y ago
Police will never protect you. If you want to be able to defend yourself and your family either be rich enough to have private security or train to use a gun, if you have the right. Many of our offices are guarded by guys with guns and many of the anti-gun advocates you see on TV have bodyguards with guns.

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seneca 5y ago

That is an extremely naive view of the world. Many places in the world have long response times for police. A home invader is now going to wait patiently for the police to come save you. Revolutions against tyrannical government are quite difficult for an unarmed population. Many poor families feed themselves via hunting. I personally grew up in that situation and know many people who still experience it.

eplanit 5y ago

Tell that to a home invader who just kicked in your front door at 2am.

rubyist5eva 5y ago

Tell that to the criminal with guns breaking into your home and taking all your property.