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It's not uncommon for avowedly anti-union employers to have union contracts outside the US. When Walmart owned the British supermarket ASDA, for example, the GM

by pmyteh 5y ago

It's not uncommon for avowedly anti-union employers to have union contracts outside the US. When Walmart owned the British supermarket ASDA, for example, the GMB union was recognised. Companies seem quite adept at keeping their adaptations to local rules tightly firewalled.

the-dude 5y ago
Except for the 'platforms' like Uber, JustEatTakeAway, Deliveroo et al.
- worldsayshi 5y ago
  Of course they make sure to get away with whatever they can get away with. "Why shouldn't they"
- lnxg33k1 5y ago
  But they are also being targeted by italian authorities right now, so their ability to escape is very time constrained, they're just a new concept which wasn't legislated about so far, but regulations might be slow, but at a certain point they will get to it https://www.reuters.com/article/italy-just-eat-workers-idUSL1N2LS1TU https://www.reuters.com/article/italy-just-eat-workers-idUSL...
- pjmlp 5y ago
  They think they can, until they don't. https://www.expatica.com/nl/uncategorized/uber-loses-dutch-court-fight-over-drivers-rights-152589/ https://www.expatica.com/nl/uncategorized/uber-loses-dutch-c...
  - the-dude 5y ago
    If I am not mistaken, this is still open to appeal.
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      It might be, that doesn't change the fact that they can't just ignore local laws.
alkonaut 5y ago
Of course. Take Sweden as a (admittedly extreme) example. There is very little regulation of the labor market, for example no minimum wage. All those things are agreed upon in negotiations between unions and employer organizations. But unions set the rules for the labor market as a whole, not just workplaces where the workforce had unionized. An Amazon warehouse with zero union employees would still have to have union conditions/pay for all employees. It wouldn’t be possible to not do it. And it’s not possible as an individual employee to negotiate a contract with worse terms (the equivalent of taking work under a minimum wage level). So in Sweden there is no recognizing unions. It’s like recognizing labor laws. Not optional.

by pmyteh 5y ago

the-dude 5y ago

Except for the 'platforms' like Uber, JustEatTakeAway, Deliveroo et al.

worldsayshi 5y ago
Of course they make sure to get away with whatever they can get away with. "Why shouldn't they"
lnxg33k1 5y ago
But they are also being targeted by italian authorities right now, so their ability to escape is very time constrained, they're just a new concept which wasn't legislated about so far, but regulations might be slow, but at a certain point they will get to it https://www.reuters.com/article/italy-just-eat-workers-idUSL1N2LS1TU https://www.reuters.com/article/italy-just-eat-workers-idUSL...
pjmlp 5y ago
They think they can, until they don't. https://www.expatica.com/nl/uncategorized/uber-loses-dutch-court-fight-over-drivers-rights-152589/ https://www.expatica.com/nl/uncategorized/uber-loses-dutch-c...
- the-dude 5y ago
  If I am not mistaken, this is still open to appeal.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    It might be, that doesn't change the fact that they can't just ignore local laws.

alkonaut 5y ago

Of course. Take Sweden as a (admittedly extreme) example. There is very little regulation of the labor market, for example no minimum wage. All those things are agreed upon in negotiations between unions and employer organizations. But unions set the rules for the labor market as a whole, not just workplaces where the workforce had unionized. An Amazon warehouse with zero union employees would still have to have union conditions/pay for all employees. It wouldn’t be possible to not do it. And it’s not possible as an individual employee to negotiate a contract with worse terms (the equivalent of taking work under a minimum wage level). So in Sweden there is no recognizing unions. It’s like recognizing labor laws. Not optional.