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encryptluks2 5y ago
Wow, no where did I mention Ivermectin but your knee-jerk reaction was that I somehow believed that was the answer. What is worse, suggesting that we should be leary of government agencies that are ripe for abuse or having a scripted NPC-lke response to people that question anything?
reedjosh 5y ago
This whole meme is sick. Ivermectin is a noble prize winning drug for humans. Joe Rogan took a human dose prescribed by a human for a human. How are you outsourcing your thinking to this degree, yet so confidently responding condescendingly? BTW, Joe was better after a day...
- AndrewBissell 5y ago
  I'm a big believer that ivermectin probably helps (especially after the gigantic astroturfed media freakout about it), but Rogan took so many things it's impossible to credit any one part of his cocktail. Always funny when liberals get their hopes up as soon as someone tests positive and then they're fine a day or two later though.
  - reedjosh 5y ago
    > Rogan took so many things it's impossible to credit any one part of his cocktail. Of course. I'm not saying that's what fixed him, mostly just that mocking someone for their stupidity in trying early treatment whom also recovered in above average time...
    - Taywee 5y ago
      Rogan was sick for 3 days and said that one of those days was really rough. Is that better than average for somebody who was vaccinated (as Rogan was) and took a giant cocktail of things, including monoclonal antibodies, which are proven to combat COVID? As an aside, "whom" is incorrect there.
      - reedjosh 5y ago
        > "whom" is incorrect there. I was describing what I was saying, and thus Rogan was not the subject of the sentence. I'm all for pedantry though, so please do elucidate. :)
        Taywee 5y ago
        It's not the subject of the sentence, but "who" is a pronoun in nominative case because it is the subject of the appositive phrase. You wouldn't say "him also recovered", but "he also recovered" in any case. You use "whom" where "him" would make more sense and "who" where "he" would make more sense. It's very pedantic, because it's the subject of a pronounal phrase which is itself an object in the sentence. Personally, I'm not a fan of "whom" in general. It's not technically necessary, can always be replaced with "who" in modern English, and I see it used incorrectly almost as often as correctly. This sort of thing is easier for German speakers, who have to inflect all pronouns correctly for every part of speech. English speakers largely get who wrong because there are very few words in the language that make you have to keep track of more than primary subject and object. It's not their fault, really, it's just an archaic construct of English from when the language was more modal.
        reedjosh 5y ago
        Thank you! I actually really do appreciate this. I'll review further.
- oezi 5y ago
  I think people should outsource their thinking to those tasked with the job: https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19 https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-shoul... https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-advises-against-use-ivermectin-prevention-treatment-covid-19-outside-randomised-clinical-trials https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-advises-against-use-iv... Summary: Don't take ivermectine, no evidence it helps against Covid-19.
  - nradov 5y ago
    There is at least some limited evidence that ivermectin helps against COVID-19. https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/6/989 https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/6/989 That's why the NIH is sponsoring a large scale clinical trial. That should give us more reliable evidence one way or the other. https://www.nih.gov/research-training/medical-research-initiatives/activ/covid-19-therapeutics-prioritized-testing-clinical-trials#activ6 https://www.nih.gov/research-training/medical-research-initi...
    - oezi 5y ago
      There is conflicting low-quality evidence: https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub2/full https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD... Until we get back the results from larger and better studies, people shouldn't say Ivermectin works.
  - miles 5y ago
    > I think people should outsource their thinking to those tasked with the job ... Summary: Don't take ivermectine, no evidence it helps against Covid-19. The Lancet: Antiviral effect of high-dose ivermectin in adults with COVID-19: A proof-of-concept randomized trial https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00239-X/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5... The Journal of Antibiotics: The mechanisms of action of Ivermectin against SARS-CoV-2: An evidence-based clinical review article https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-021-00430-5 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-021-00430-5 Mainichi: Dr. Satoshi Omura, Nobel Prize scholar: "Vaccines for prevention, ivermectin for treatment" https://weekly-economist.mainichi.jp/articles/20210712/se1/00m/020/002000d https://weekly-economist.mainichi.jp/articles/20210712/se1/0... New Microbes and New Infections: Ivermectin: a multifaceted drug of Nobel prize-honoured distinction with indicated efficacy against a new global scourge, COVID-19 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8383101/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8383101/ WSJ: Why Is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective Drug? https://www.wsj.com/articles/fda-ivermectin-covid-19-coronavirus-masks-anti-science-11627482393 https://www.wsj.com/articles/fda-ivermectin-covid-19-coronav...

Wow, no where did I mention Ivermectin but your knee-jerk reaction was that I somehow believed that was the answer. What is worse, suggesting that we should be leary of government agencies that are ripe for abuse or having a scripted NPC-lke response to people that question anything?

reedjosh 5y ago

This whole meme is sick. Ivermectin is a noble prize winning drug for humans. Joe Rogan took a human dose prescribed by a human for a human. How are you outsourcing your thinking to this degree, yet so confidently responding condescendingly? BTW, Joe was better after a day...

AndrewBissell 5y ago
I'm a big believer that ivermectin probably helps (especially after the gigantic astroturfed media freakout about it), but Rogan took so many things it's impossible to credit any one part of his cocktail. Always funny when liberals get their hopes up as soon as someone tests positive and then they're fine a day or two later though.
- reedjosh 5y ago
  > Rogan took so many things it's impossible to credit any one part of his cocktail. Of course. I'm not saying that's what fixed him, mostly just that mocking someone for their stupidity in trying early treatment whom also recovered in above average time...
  - Taywee 5y ago
    Rogan was sick for 3 days and said that one of those days was really rough. Is that better than average for somebody who was vaccinated (as Rogan was) and took a giant cocktail of things, including monoclonal antibodies, which are proven to combat COVID? As an aside, "whom" is incorrect there.
    - reedjosh 5y ago
      > "whom" is incorrect there. I was describing what I was saying, and thus Rogan was not the subject of the sentence. I'm all for pedantry though, so please do elucidate. :)
      - Taywee 5y ago
        It's not the subject of the sentence, but "who" is a pronoun in nominative case because it is the subject of the appositive phrase. You wouldn't say "him also recovered", but "he also recovered" in any case. You use "whom" where "him" would make more sense and "who" where "he" would make more sense. It's very pedantic, because it's the subject of a pronounal phrase which is itself an object in the sentence. Personally, I'm not a fan of "whom" in general. It's not technically necessary, can always be replaced with "who" in modern English, and I see it used incorrectly almost as often as correctly. This sort of thing is easier for German speakers, who have to inflect all pronouns correctly for every part of speech. English speakers largely get who wrong because there are very few words in the language that make you have to keep track of more than primary subject and object. It's not their fault, really, it's just an archaic construct of English from when the language was more modal.
        reedjosh 5y ago
        Thank you! I actually really do appreciate this. I'll review further.
oezi 5y ago
I think people should outsource their thinking to those tasked with the job: https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19 https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-shoul... https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-advises-against-use-ivermectin-prevention-treatment-covid-19-outside-randomised-clinical-trials https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-advises-against-use-iv... Summary: Don't take ivermectine, no evidence it helps against Covid-19.
- nradov 5y ago
  There is at least some limited evidence that ivermectin helps against COVID-19. https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/6/989 https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/6/989 That's why the NIH is sponsoring a large scale clinical trial. That should give us more reliable evidence one way or the other. https://www.nih.gov/research-training/medical-research-initiatives/activ/covid-19-therapeutics-prioritized-testing-clinical-trials#activ6 https://www.nih.gov/research-training/medical-research-initi...
  - oezi 5y ago
    There is conflicting low-quality evidence: https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD015017.pub2/full https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD... Until we get back the results from larger and better studies, people shouldn't say Ivermectin works.
- miles 5y ago
  > I think people should outsource their thinking to those tasked with the job ... Summary: Don't take ivermectine, no evidence it helps against Covid-19. The Lancet: Antiviral effect of high-dose ivermectin in adults with COVID-19: A proof-of-concept randomized trial https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(21)00239-X/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5... The Journal of Antibiotics: The mechanisms of action of Ivermectin against SARS-CoV-2: An evidence-based clinical review article https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-021-00430-5 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-021-00430-5 Mainichi: Dr. Satoshi Omura, Nobel Prize scholar: "Vaccines for prevention, ivermectin for treatment" https://weekly-economist.mainichi.jp/articles/20210712/se1/00m/020/002000d https://weekly-economist.mainichi.jp/articles/20210712/se1/0... New Microbes and New Infections: Ivermectin: a multifaceted drug of Nobel prize-honoured distinction with indicated efficacy against a new global scourge, COVID-19 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8383101/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8383101/ WSJ: Why Is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective Drug? https://www.wsj.com/articles/fda-ivermectin-covid-19-coronavirus-masks-anti-science-11627482393 https://www.wsj.com/articles/fda-ivermectin-covid-19-coronav...