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It's not some "haha i got you!" for me to move to the USA to be in the top 1% of wage earners in the USA (high level within FAANG). I'm in a very privileged pos

It's not some "haha i got you!" for me to move to the USA to be in the top 1% of wage earners in the USA (high level within FAANG). I'm in a very privileged position and I'm happy to take advantage of it. It's weird that the existence of ultra privileged positions somehow gives you the thought that therefore America is fine the way it is. It's clear for the remainder of America they'd be better off elsewhere in the western world. They'd be better off fighting for their situation.

JohnWhigham 5y ago
The sad fact is that many Americans just aren't educated enough to care, nor do they want to care. You have to remember: the country was founded by the conspiracy theorist farmers of the day that believed the government was out to fuck them, when in reality they were just mad that they had to pay taxes. This mentality persists today that people don't want the government helping them in any way, even if it means they get fucked over by their employers.
- vogt 5y ago
  If you grew up in the US I'd like to demand the resignation of whatever American history professor you had growing up. "Mad they had to pay taxes" completely obfuscates (probably in bad faith) the fact that colonists had no say in what that taxation went toward, and the people who _did_ lived thousands of miles away before any real communication infra even existed. It's right there in the name. The way you speak about "conspiracy theory farmers" reveals your real agenda, which is to push narrative-snark bemoaning the origins of our country (even if it's at the expense of the historical truth).
pb7 5y ago
No, it is a "haha i got you!". You want the US to be like the rest of the world (or specifically Australia) and yet you came to the US because the US is unique in providing extremely high paying comfortable and interesting jobs. This type of environment is possible because that's what the US optimizes for, at the detriment of class equality. You're a hypocrite, specifically one that calls out people's alleged wealth when you came here to amass your own. Poetic given the thread we are in.
- lordnacho 5y ago
  Let me remind you that being a hypocrite does not make one wrong. If I smoke and I tell you smoking causes cancer, will you disbelieve me? It's actually a strange form of argument from authority: you don't follow your own rule, and I believe your honest self that I think you're showing by not following it. If anything it should tell you something that a guy who is milking the system says the system is broken. That at least is a first hand witness.
- vogt 5y ago
  Well put. Exactly what I was getting at.
vogt 5y ago
Right, the old "Americans don't want to improve anything" bit. Enjoy your vesting options.

JohnWhigham 5y ago

The sad fact is that many Americans just aren't educated enough to care, nor do they want to care. You have to remember: the country was founded by the conspiracy theorist farmers of the day that believed the government was out to fuck them, when in reality they were just mad that they had to pay taxes. This mentality persists today that people don't want the government helping them in any way, even if it means they get fucked over by their employers.

vogt 5y ago
If you grew up in the US I'd like to demand the resignation of whatever American history professor you had growing up. "Mad they had to pay taxes" completely obfuscates (probably in bad faith) the fact that colonists had no say in what that taxation went toward, and the people who _did_ lived thousands of miles away before any real communication infra even existed. It's right there in the name. The way you speak about "conspiracy theory farmers" reveals your real agenda, which is to push narrative-snark bemoaning the origins of our country (even if it's at the expense of the historical truth).

pb7 5y ago

No, it is a "haha i got you!". You want the US to be like the rest of the world (or specifically Australia) and yet you came to the US because the US is unique in providing extremely high paying comfortable and interesting jobs. This type of environment is possible because that's what the US optimizes for, at the detriment of class equality. You're a hypocrite, specifically one that calls out people's alleged wealth when you came here to amass your own. Poetic given the thread we are in.

lordnacho 5y ago
Let me remind you that being a hypocrite does not make one wrong. If I smoke and I tell you smoking causes cancer, will you disbelieve me? It's actually a strange form of argument from authority: you don't follow your own rule, and I believe your honest self that I think you're showing by not following it. If anything it should tell you something that a guy who is milking the system says the system is broken. That at least is a first hand witness.
vogt 5y ago
Well put. Exactly what I was getting at.

vogt 5y ago

Right, the old "Americans don't want to improve anything" bit. Enjoy your vesting options.