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> The thing is, only Emiratis have "hands on keyboard" while the US engineers sit beside them and guide them, which supposedly dodges any legal concerns. I fin
by bpodgursky 5y ago
> The thing is, only Emiratis have "hands on keyboard" while the US engineers sit beside them and guide them, which supposedly dodges any legal concerns.
I find it pretty hard to believe any judge would buy this.
- Enginerrrd 5y agoYou're probably right, but I think it also depends... Is a professor at MIT teaching cyber security exploit development guilty of the same crime? What about a consultant teaching how to use a particular tool or how to look for a particular family of exploits? (Potentially legally dodgy, depending on the client, but probably ok in a lot of grey areas) What about a consultant which performs a passive audit of a target for a 3rd party? (Starting to get pretty dodgy, but probably depends both on the 3rd party and the target and the nature of the audit) It's... probably not so cut-and-dry. Though I agree that it doesn't sound like a get-out-of-jail-free card.
- jareklupinski 5y agoI'm sure the intent of the MIT professor/consultant passing their knowledge on to others is to get ahead of the actual attackers and help prevent further crime(s against humanity), not to actively participate...
- gentle 5y agoYou're just being argumentative. You know the answer.
- Enginerrrd 5y agoOh no, that wasn't my intent at all. I was just saying that things in court can get pretty messy when you try to define things precisely with laws that don't directly address edge cases. That's why you see headlines about rulings that seem so counterintuitive and ridiculous upon first glance.
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- hguant 5y agoDoes an instructor who trains someone who goes on to commit murder using the techniques they taught become legally culpable for the murder? If your company offers some service - consulting to set up their infrastructure, or helping them navigate AWS - necessary to the running of the company, and that company goes on to commit a crime are you at fault? They couldn't have done it with out you, after all.
- corv 5y agoStrictly ethically speaking, yes they would be at fault
- mmastrac 5y agoLet's say you are a gun instructor. You take your student out to the street, hand them a sniper rifle and point at their victim. You walk them through the process of pulling the trigger and how to make sure they get their target. The judge isn't going to let that slide. In both cases, you are an accessory.
- sterlind 5y agoTechnically I think both parties would be guilty of murder, but that's specific to murder charges. For instance, getaway drivers have been charged with murder because the robbers they transport shoot someone.
- likpok 5y agoThat is specifically "felony murder", which wouldn't apply here (though conspiracy might?). Felony murder is the idea that you are guilty of murder if someone dies as a result of you committing another felony (sometimes from a specific enumerated list). If you are a direct participant in the murder you might just get charged with it (perhaps as a conspirator which I think often has roughly the same penalties).
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- circular_logic 5y agoAgreed. It's one thing to teach general skills and another to help do the actual hacking If they are being guided through the actual hacking then that's saying that only the driver in pair programming is producing code
- mike_d 5y agoYet this would be very familiar to anyone with previous intelligence experience in the US. The person with hands on keyboard will change depending on if the mission is being conducted under Title 10 or Title 50 authority.
- wisty 5y agoI don't think the UAE is concerned about this.