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I would like to say thank you for making a change when faced with new facts/science.

nradov 5y ago
I have nothing against vegans, but the "Game Changers" movie is biased propaganda promoting a particular narrative. It is not a valid source of scientific facts. They cherry picked a few anecdotes, and even some of the movie subjects consume certain animal products such as eggs.
- loudtieblahblah 5y ago
  if you didn't say this i was going to. I've been in the camp of eating less meat for a while for general health, and i have a lot of concerns about factory farming. But Game Changers straight up lies all over the place. It's a horrible documentary.
- scns 5y ago
  Cherry picked facts like 80% of the area used for agriculture is used for breeding and feeding animals? That 39% of people eating meating still have a vitamin B12 deficiency? That animals get fed B12 to have any since the soil bacteria producing it have been destroyed by conventional agricultural practices?
  - Wheaties466 5y ago
    People will see what they want to. The fact that they can't identify this is what is leading to their bias. People just need to be honest with themselves and say they like eating meat and don't want to change.
- scns 5y ago
  A few anecdotes of the sort of: - The eldest olympian athlete at 39,5 winning a medal for the US being vegan? - The world record setting strong man Patrik Baboumian being vegan? - The football team from Tennessee (IIRC) reaching the playoffs for the first time in 14 years (IIRC) after round 10 of their defensive players went vegan? It was pretty convincing to me because it was not presented with a "These poor animals" moralistic tone. But by a guy, whose job is to train soldiers in deadly hand-to-hand combat. He injured both his knees and stumbled over a study that concluded that a vegan diet might speed up his recovery. He actually tried it, and the results are pretty impressive IMHO.
  - popcube 5y ago
    ...show me statistics, if this is true we can immediately force people stop eat meat in hospital
    - hjek 5y ago
      Here's a good resource: https://www.vegansociety.com/news/media/statistics https://www.vegansociety.com/news/media/statistics
  - nradov 5y ago
    Elite athletes are a diverse bunch. You can find a few of them who follow all sorts of trendy diets, including carnivore, at least for a while. But if we look empirically at what works best in competition the vast majority of winning athletes across all sports are omnivores. https://www.8020endurance.com/the-80-20-nutrition-guide/ https://www.8020endurance.com/the-80-20-nutrition-guide/ There are also several anecdotal reports out there of athletes who tried vegan diets and found they got injured more frequently, or recovered more slowly. Does that mean anything? Who knows. There are so many confounding factors that it's impossible to research this issue in a truly rigorous way. There are a few such anecdotes listed here. I'm not endorsing this blog or any particular diet, just pointing out that we lack clear evidence based guidelines. https://www.lonesomelands.com/new-blog/2019/9/16/t2amoscp1u1ynq1ms3sk9shr5ewlvj https://www.lonesomelands.com/new-blog/2019/9/16/t2amoscp1u1...
  - GrumpyNl 5y ago
    Dont forget, they all started as non-vegans, so all their base strength came from a on vegan diet.
scns 5y ago
You are welcome, did it for purely selfish reasons though ;) I want to be healthy and ate the cheapest organic meat i could find since i thought: I need B12. Now i just take supps for it.

I have nothing against vegans, but the "Game Changers" movie is biased propaganda promoting a particular narrative. It is not a valid source of scientific facts. They cherry picked a few anecdotes, and even some of the movie subjects consume certain animal products such as eggs.

loudtieblahblah 5y ago
if you didn't say this i was going to. I've been in the camp of eating less meat for a while for general health, and i have a lot of concerns about factory farming. But Game Changers straight up lies all over the place. It's a horrible documentary.
scns 5y ago
Cherry picked facts like 80% of the area used for agriculture is used for breeding and feeding animals? That 39% of people eating meating still have a vitamin B12 deficiency? That animals get fed B12 to have any since the soil bacteria producing it have been destroyed by conventional agricultural practices?
- Wheaties466 5y ago
  People will see what they want to. The fact that they can't identify this is what is leading to their bias. People just need to be honest with themselves and say they like eating meat and don't want to change.
scns 5y ago
A few anecdotes of the sort of: - The eldest olympian athlete at 39,5 winning a medal for the US being vegan? - The world record setting strong man Patrik Baboumian being vegan? - The football team from Tennessee (IIRC) reaching the playoffs for the first time in 14 years (IIRC) after round 10 of their defensive players went vegan? It was pretty convincing to me because it was not presented with a "These poor animals" moralistic tone. But by a guy, whose job is to train soldiers in deadly hand-to-hand combat. He injured both his knees and stumbled over a study that concluded that a vegan diet might speed up his recovery. He actually tried it, and the results are pretty impressive IMHO.
- popcube 5y ago
  ...show me statistics, if this is true we can immediately force people stop eat meat in hospital
  - hjek 5y ago
    Here's a good resource: https://www.vegansociety.com/news/media/statistics https://www.vegansociety.com/news/media/statistics
- nradov 5y ago
  Elite athletes are a diverse bunch. You can find a few of them who follow all sorts of trendy diets, including carnivore, at least for a while. But if we look empirically at what works best in competition the vast majority of winning athletes across all sports are omnivores. https://www.8020endurance.com/the-80-20-nutrition-guide/ https://www.8020endurance.com/the-80-20-nutrition-guide/ There are also several anecdotal reports out there of athletes who tried vegan diets and found they got injured more frequently, or recovered more slowly. Does that mean anything? Who knows. There are so many confounding factors that it's impossible to research this issue in a truly rigorous way. There are a few such anecdotes listed here. I'm not endorsing this blog or any particular diet, just pointing out that we lack clear evidence based guidelines. https://www.lonesomelands.com/new-blog/2019/9/16/t2amoscp1u1ynq1ms3sk9shr5ewlvj https://www.lonesomelands.com/new-blog/2019/9/16/t2amoscp1u1...
- GrumpyNl 5y ago
  Dont forget, they all started as non-vegans, so all their base strength came from a on vegan diet.

scns 5y ago

You are welcome, did it for purely selfish reasons though ;) I want to be healthy and ate the cheapest organic meat i could find since i thought: I need B12. Now i just take supps for it.