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Is this actually happening though? I thought it was mostly just Twitter and subsequently the media feeling the need to write shocking stories. I have never had

by sgt 5y ago

Is this actually happening though? I thought it was mostly just Twitter and subsequently the media feeling the need to write shocking stories. I have never had or heard someone tell me that it's bad to be white.

gjsman-1000 5y ago
Simply walk into any college class which happens to have some race background. You'll be shocked. It's all Critical Race Theory, everywhere. My Writing teacher in community college in Minnesota would never shut up because she was also the gender studies teacher. The class was more CRT than Writing. We had to watch stories of black people being raped in writing class even though it had nothing to do with writing and we didn't need to write about it. I don't want to downplay their experience in any way - but it just doesn't belong.
- ssully 5y ago
  Have you done this yourself? Can you tell me what critical race theory is?
  - newswriter99 5y ago
    Leftist propaganda.
    - myWindoonn 5y ago
      From WP: "Critical race theory (CRT) is a body of legal scholarship and an academic movement of US civil-rights scholars and activists who seek to critically examine the intersection of race and U.S. law and to challenge mainstream American liberal approaches to racial justice." It's legal theory, dumbass.
      - whatshisface 5y ago
        It is well past the point of meaning what it's defined to mean. I have been hearing about it somehow showing up as a guiding principle in the design of middle school curricula, which does not involve teaching those kids any legal theories. It is what all words turn into when they are used too often: it is a buzzword.
        bradlys 5y ago
        Not sure if you are aware but this was a coordinated and planned tactic by right wing media. Specifically they targeted the term crt and decided to make it out to be the devil. It’s a common tactic of Fox News and adjacent online outlets. Senators will join in as well. Anything to start a culture war. It’s coordinated and planned. I’m on mobile but I’d send you some evidence about it. I remember Hasan Piker showing some interesting information about it.
      - newswriter99 5y ago
        Ah Wikipedia, the word of god.
        dang 5y ago
        We've banned this account for repeatedly posting unsubstantive and flamebait comments. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - dang 5y ago
        Whoa, you can't attack others like that here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. Since you've been doing it repeatedly, and ignored our requests to stop, I've banned this account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
  - whatshisface 5y ago
    English has a lot of strange phrases that mean something other than what you'd guess from parsing the words by what they mean. For example, critical race theory is a phrase in the imperative sense that means "start arguing right now."
- dang 5y ago
  You added that last paragraph after your original comment, which was just the first two sentences. That was a highly misleading edit, because it changes the meaning of the reply you got. That was not a nice thing to do to the other user, even if they weren't being particularly nice to you in the first place. It's great to share your personal experience and fine to edit your comments, but if you're making substantial edits, please say that they're edits.
  - sgt 5y ago
    That made me think of a feature idea for HN - revision history for edited comments, publicly available. What do you think?
    - dang 5y ago
      I've thought about it over the years but there are also a lot of cases where it's better not to point a spotlight on things; if people post something they regret and later edit it out, and the effect isn't misleading, it's usually better to just let it sink into obscurity. There are variations of such a feature that might strike a balance - for example only tracking edits once a comment has replies; or simply marking them 'edited' without saying what the edits were.
      - gjsman-1000 5y ago
        I just saw this dang and I apologize for my edit. It was not intended to mess up the next person’s as it was to add more context - but I recognize how it messed up their response. Sorry.
        dang 5y ago
        Appreciated!
scohesc 5y ago
Every educational system that's worth it's salt here where I live in Canada is going full-bore on the whole "critical race theory" and how "white people have oppressed every other culture for centuries" Trust me, it's happening.
- gruez 5y ago
  Can you provide links on what the materials look like?
- hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
  This kind of generalizing is a slap in the face of many nations that are predominantly white but have never colonized any country.
  - hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
    My comment got flagged - and that's fine, but I'd like to hear an explanation. Mine is as follows. Historically, the colonization was the domain of countries with access to sea, especially a long coast line - starting with Vikings. Among European countries, the colonization was done mainly by the Brits, Spain, Portugal, France, the predecessors of the modern Netherlands and Belgium. Other European countries either didn't have access to sea, or had it but for various reasons weren't interested in colonization - for example because they were focused on land wars with their neighbors. You won't find many German or Austrian colonies. And you can talk to the Swiss how white people are guilty of colonialism, but you won't find any understanding there. Some with the whole Eastern Europe. I understand this simplistic point of view ("white people invaded the whole world") seems attractive to some, but it's false, unjust and racist. If you say, "Several European countries colonized a significant portion of the world" - this is accurate, true, and definitely not racist. But it seems people don't care about facts or being precise anymore: it's all about emotion and fitting one's limited set of views. === EDIT: To people who flag and downvote: I'm a very open-minded person. I don't want to live in my bubble. So please, talk to me. Explain why I'm wrong - or at least why you disagree. HN is a discussion forum, let's use this opportunity to actually transmit some useful information. To me, downvoting and flagging says, "I disagree but I can't find any counter-arguments".
torstenvl 5y ago
Oh yes. It's literally to the point that even saying "it's okay to be white" is considered alt-right and white supremacist. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_okay_to_be_white https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_okay_to_be_white
- NullPrefix 5y ago
  It's not?
  - torstenvl 5y ago
    Case in point. It is okay to be who you are. It doesn't matter your race or nationality, your sex or gender or creed. It's okay to be white. It's okay to be black. It's okay to be Asian. It's okay to be First Nations, Native, Indigenous. It's okay to be male or female or intersexed or trans. It's okay to be Catholic or Protestant or Sunni or Shia or Jewish or Orthodox or Baha'i or Zoroastrian or Buddhist or Hindu or Taoist or Shinto or any other creed. For all people everywhere, it is emphatically okay to exist. If you disagree with that, then I think you need to re-examine who is engaging in supremacist politics.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - newswriter99 5y ago
    It's ok to be white.
  - whatshisface 5y ago
    I was around on the internet when this was happening, so I can tell you the real story. Some people went around posting those signs, printed at home on A4 paper, around college campuses during a time when social justice issues were at a fever pitch in popular culture. Some very sensitive-to-social-justice-issues and sensitive-to-potential-indicators-of-people-being-insensitive-to-social-issues people saw them and became upset on Twitter. I think the signs usually got taken down, but that's what usually happens to signs. Some people took this as a sign that an evil fifth column was going around trying to win an invisible cultural battle by putting up signs that had no racist content but that implied that someone around town would be willing to put up a racist sign if they had had the chance and the chutzpah. Other people took this as a sign that the evil first through fourth columns were in such active pursuit of dissenters that they would get mad on Twitter and take down meticulously inkjetted pieces of A4 paper if they so much as implied that dissent was an option. Few reasonable people took this as a sign that it was, literally, not "OK" to be a white person (what does that even mean? if it's not okay how are they supposed to stop?), but because taking down a sign can be taken to mean that the janitor disagrees with what those cultural mercenaries at Kinko's printed on it, that take got passed around a lot.

by sgt 5y ago

gjsman-1000 5y ago

Simply walk into any college class which happens to have some race background. You'll be shocked. It's all Critical Race Theory, everywhere. My Writing teacher in community college in Minnesota would never shut up because she was also the gender studies teacher. The class was more CRT than Writing. We had to watch stories of black people being raped in writing class even though it had nothing to do with writing and we didn't need to write about it. I don't want to downplay their experience in any way - but it just doesn't belong.

ssully 5y ago
Have you done this yourself? Can you tell me what critical race theory is?
- newswriter99 5y ago
  Leftist propaganda.
  - myWindoonn 5y ago
    From WP: "Critical race theory (CRT) is a body of legal scholarship and an academic movement of US civil-rights scholars and activists who seek to critically examine the intersection of race and U.S. law and to challenge mainstream American liberal approaches to racial justice." It's legal theory, dumbass.
    - whatshisface 5y ago
      It is well past the point of meaning what it's defined to mean. I have been hearing about it somehow showing up as a guiding principle in the design of middle school curricula, which does not involve teaching those kids any legal theories. It is what all words turn into when they are used too often: it is a buzzword.
      - bradlys 5y ago
        Not sure if you are aware but this was a coordinated and planned tactic by right wing media. Specifically they targeted the term crt and decided to make it out to be the devil. It’s a common tactic of Fox News and adjacent online outlets. Senators will join in as well. Anything to start a culture war. It’s coordinated and planned. I’m on mobile but I’d send you some evidence about it. I remember Hasan Piker showing some interesting information about it.
    - newswriter99 5y ago
      Ah Wikipedia, the word of god.
      - dang 5y ago
        We've banned this account for repeatedly posting unsubstantive and flamebait comments. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - dang 5y ago
      Whoa, you can't attack others like that here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. Since you've been doing it repeatedly, and ignored our requests to stop, I've banned this account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
- whatshisface 5y ago
  English has a lot of strange phrases that mean something other than what you'd guess from parsing the words by what they mean. For example, critical race theory is a phrase in the imperative sense that means "start arguing right now."
dang 5y ago
You added that last paragraph after your original comment, which was just the first two sentences. That was a highly misleading edit, because it changes the meaning of the reply you got. That was not a nice thing to do to the other user, even if they weren't being particularly nice to you in the first place. It's great to share your personal experience and fine to edit your comments, but if you're making substantial edits, please say that they're edits.
- sgt 5y ago
  That made me think of a feature idea for HN - revision history for edited comments, publicly available. What do you think?
  - dang 5y ago
    I've thought about it over the years but there are also a lot of cases where it's better not to point a spotlight on things; if people post something they regret and later edit it out, and the effect isn't misleading, it's usually better to just let it sink into obscurity. There are variations of such a feature that might strike a balance - for example only tracking edits once a comment has replies; or simply marking them 'edited' without saying what the edits were.
    - gjsman-1000 5y ago
      I just saw this dang and I apologize for my edit. It was not intended to mess up the next person’s as it was to add more context - but I recognize how it messed up their response. Sorry.
      - dang 5y ago
        Appreciated!

scohesc 5y ago

Every educational system that's worth it's salt here where I live in Canada is going full-bore on the whole "critical race theory" and how "white people have oppressed every other culture for centuries" Trust me, it's happening.

gruez 5y ago
Can you provide links on what the materials look like?
hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
This kind of generalizing is a slap in the face of many nations that are predominantly white but have never colonized any country.
- hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
  My comment got flagged - and that's fine, but I'd like to hear an explanation. Mine is as follows. Historically, the colonization was the domain of countries with access to sea, especially a long coast line - starting with Vikings. Among European countries, the colonization was done mainly by the Brits, Spain, Portugal, France, the predecessors of the modern Netherlands and Belgium. Other European countries either didn't have access to sea, or had it but for various reasons weren't interested in colonization - for example because they were focused on land wars with their neighbors. You won't find many German or Austrian colonies. And you can talk to the Swiss how white people are guilty of colonialism, but you won't find any understanding there. Some with the whole Eastern Europe. I understand this simplistic point of view ("white people invaded the whole world") seems attractive to some, but it's false, unjust and racist. If you say, "Several European countries colonized a significant portion of the world" - this is accurate, true, and definitely not racist. But it seems people don't care about facts or being precise anymore: it's all about emotion and fitting one's limited set of views. === EDIT: To people who flag and downvote: I'm a very open-minded person. I don't want to live in my bubble. So please, talk to me. Explain why I'm wrong - or at least why you disagree. HN is a discussion forum, let's use this opportunity to actually transmit some useful information. To me, downvoting and flagging says, "I disagree but I can't find any counter-arguments".

torstenvl 5y ago

Oh yes. It's literally to the point that even saying "it's okay to be white" is considered alt-right and white supremacist. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_okay_to_be_white https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_okay_to_be_white

NullPrefix 5y ago
It's not?
- torstenvl 5y ago
  Case in point. It is okay to be who you are. It doesn't matter your race or nationality, your sex or gender or creed. It's okay to be white. It's okay to be black. It's okay to be Asian. It's okay to be First Nations, Native, Indigenous. It's okay to be male or female or intersexed or trans. It's okay to be Catholic or Protestant or Sunni or Shia or Jewish or Orthodox or Baha'i or Zoroastrian or Buddhist or Hindu or Taoist or Shinto or any other creed. For all people everywhere, it is emphatically okay to exist. If you disagree with that, then I think you need to re-examine who is engaging in supremacist politics.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- newswriter99 5y ago
  It's ok to be white.
- whatshisface 5y ago
  I was around on the internet when this was happening, so I can tell you the real story. Some people went around posting those signs, printed at home on A4 paper, around college campuses during a time when social justice issues were at a fever pitch in popular culture. Some very sensitive-to-social-justice-issues and sensitive-to-potential-indicators-of-people-being-insensitive-to-social-issues people saw them and became upset on Twitter. I think the signs usually got taken down, but that's what usually happens to signs. Some people took this as a sign that an evil fifth column was going around trying to win an invisible cultural battle by putting up signs that had no racist content but that implied that someone around town would be willing to put up a racist sign if they had had the chance and the chutzpah. Other people took this as a sign that the evil first through fourth columns were in such active pursuit of dissenters that they would get mad on Twitter and take down meticulously inkjetted pieces of A4 paper if they so much as implied that dissent was an option. Few reasonable people took this as a sign that it was, literally, not "OK" to be a white person (what does that even mean? if it's not okay how are they supposed to stop?), but because taking down a sign can be taken to mean that the janitor disagrees with what those cultural mercenaries at Kinko's printed on it, that take got passed around a lot.