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> Let's say, hypothetically, there existed a free shot which would immediately make its recipient a perfectly lean 20 BMI and grants all the benefits of health

by dham 5y ago

> Let's say, hypothetically, there existed a free shot which would immediately make its recipient a perfectly lean 20 BMI and grants all the benefits of health and exercise without the work I would be very skeptical and wonder what the downside is

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tommymachine 5y ago
What if the downside was well studied and not reported on? [1] https://media.patriots.win/post/nWnEYVAL.jpeg https://media.patriots.win/post/nWnEYVAL.jpeg
- slumpt_ 5y ago
  https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/myocarditis-coronavirus-vaccine https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/myocarditis-coronavirus-va... “patriots.win” was a solid red flag.
  - nradov 5y ago
    I'm not familiar with "patriots.win” but the table image linked above is an accurate excerpt from this CDC presentation. The mRNA vaccines have caused a higher than expected rate of adverse cardiac events in young males. I encourage everyone to read the whole file for context. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-08-30/03-COVID-Su-508.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-...
    - slumpt_ 5y ago
      Yes. I’m aware. Context is everything, and the scientific community does not deem this concern catastrophic. I invite you to visit that website (patriots…) if you want to see some spectacular bullshit.
      - tommymachine 5y ago
        And I'm sure the "scientific community" is 100% unanimous on that, and would never ever dream of censoring doctors and expert who contradict the highly profitable "vaccines are the best choice for everyone" narrative.
        heavyset_go 5y ago
        You're aware that the antivax grift train is a tried and true method for parting the dim and desperate from their money, right?
        tommymachine 5y ago
        Really? I’m still waiting on my taxpayer sponsored bill to come in from the “anti vaccine” manufacturer. Actually, that’s great idea. Someone should make an antidote for the “vaccines”. It would sell like gangbusters.
        robbedpeter 5y ago
        A "USB powered" anti mrna ... ionic... field generator. With magnets, colloidal silver and, uh... homeopathic copper. Yeah!
        artificial 5y ago
        Moonwater!
        shaklee3 5y ago
        The places you read to get the anti-vax data are being paid handsomely in ads.
        proxyon 5y ago
        Please tell me you don't actually believe this
  - tommymachine 5y ago
    "yalemedicine.org" is a much more solid red flag than patriots.win. By the way, in response to that subtitle, you know what other cases are "usually mild and get better quickly, experts say"? Hint: It starts with a "c".
- brendoelfrendo 5y ago
  The CDC saw roughly 1300 cases of myocarditis or myopericarditis reported in mRNA vaccine recipients under 29 years old, after administering 52 million doses to that same age group, a minuscule risk and one much lower than that presented by COVID-19. [1] And even then, in those cases, the vast majority resolve on their own with minimal medical intervention. [2] But hey, have a link to the CDC source of that presentation so you don’t have to go to that .win site anymore to find your sources. They’re pretty bad at sourcing information over there [3] [1] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7027e2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7027e2.htm [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8321962/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8321962/ [3] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-08-30/03-COVID-Su-508.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-...
  - logicchains 5y ago
    From the latest data it looks like the CDC was undercounting: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v...
    - inciampati 5y ago
      > Post-vaccination CAE rate was highest in young boys aged 12-15 following dose two. For boys 12-17 without medical comorbidities, the likelihood of post vaccination dose two CAE is 162.2 and 94.0/million respectively. This incidence exceeds their expected 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization rate at both moderate (August 21, 2021 rates) and high COVID-19 hospitalization incidence. In short, COVID-19 is not very dangerous for younger people. So much so that the vaccine appears to pose a greater health risk.
      - snovv_crash 5y ago
        They aren't comparing apples and apples. CAE occured at all for vaccine, vs. 120+ day stay in hospital for covid. And of course they removed those with comorbidities, who are exactly the ones who are worse affected by covid than the vaccine. Lies, damn lies and statistics?
- kristjansson 5y ago
  Presenting that table without an applicable denominator is misleading. The N on the table is a count of adverse events, not of people or does. The reported events occurred at a rate of between ~5 and ~70 per million doses administered for the highlighted age groups. Higher than background risk? Yes. High risk? No.
  - tommymachine 5y ago
    When compared with the risk profile of covid for these age groups, it tells a very different story than you are suggesting. For older groups the risk of covid hospitalization/death is much higher. For the younger, especially under 18, the risk in this table is much higher (than the risk for COVID complications). Also keep in mind this is just one vaccine complication of many, and that the complications reported in VAERS are incomplete.
enkid 5y ago
And that's why we have tons of studies checking these shots for efficacy and side effects. Studies the mRNA vaccines have passed with flying colors.
Johnny555 5y ago
I would be very skeptical and wonder what the downside is I would too, but this is the same thing that anti-vaxxers are saying about the COVID vaccine
- phlipski 5y ago
  If I was "skeptical" about something like say the covid vaccine - then I'd go and do some research. And do you know what the research (in this case) would turn up? That the covid vaccines are indeed SAFE AND EFFECTIVE. But you know what most of these "vaccine skeptical" people are NOT doing? They're NOT doing any research to resolve their skepticism. So spare me this vaccine skepticism argument.
  - Johnny555 5y ago
    Oh, I think they are doing what they think is "research", but they don't know the difference between anecdotal evidence and scientific evidence. They hear about one pop star's cousin [1] in another country that had swollen testicles after his shot and that's someone that not only they can relate to, but even trust more that official sources because, hey, why would that star lie about it. While many are convinced that the government and health care industry in general has an ulterior motive. It's a combination of disinformation and lack of critical thinking skills. I spent 2 hours on the phone with my brother one night, pointing out why his "sources" were not really authoritative sources - if you can't find the source of their data, don't trust it, "I know a guy who..." is not a "source". Not sure if that's what swayed him, but he got his first vaccination 2 weeks later. And it's a good thing he got it, he and his wife just recovered from COVID which they think their daughter brought home. [1] https://www.huffpost.com/entry/anthony-fauci-nicki-minaj-covid-vaccine-swollen-balls_n_61411c0ce4b09519c50b2238 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/anthony-fauci-nicki-minaj-cov...
    - logicchains 5y ago
      How's this for some scientific evidence: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v... . Or https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v.... Or https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34384810/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34384810/.

by dham 5y ago

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tommymachine 5y ago

What if the downside was well studied and not reported on? [1] https://media.patriots.win/post/nWnEYVAL.jpeg https://media.patriots.win/post/nWnEYVAL.jpeg

slumpt_ 5y ago
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/myocarditis-coronavirus-vaccine https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/myocarditis-coronavirus-va... “patriots.win” was a solid red flag.
- nradov 5y ago
  I'm not familiar with "patriots.win” but the table image linked above is an accurate excerpt from this CDC presentation. The mRNA vaccines have caused a higher than expected rate of adverse cardiac events in young males. I encourage everyone to read the whole file for context. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-08-30/03-COVID-Su-508.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-...
  - slumpt_ 5y ago
    Yes. I’m aware. Context is everything, and the scientific community does not deem this concern catastrophic. I invite you to visit that website (patriots…) if you want to see some spectacular bullshit.
    - tommymachine 5y ago
      And I'm sure the "scientific community" is 100% unanimous on that, and would never ever dream of censoring doctors and expert who contradict the highly profitable "vaccines are the best choice for everyone" narrative.
      - heavyset_go 5y ago
        You're aware that the antivax grift train is a tried and true method for parting the dim and desperate from their money, right?
        tommymachine 5y ago
        Really? I’m still waiting on my taxpayer sponsored bill to come in from the “anti vaccine” manufacturer. Actually, that’s great idea. Someone should make an antidote for the “vaccines”. It would sell like gangbusters.
        robbedpeter 5y ago
        A "USB powered" anti mrna ... ionic... field generator. With magnets, colloidal silver and, uh... homeopathic copper. Yeah!
        artificial 5y ago
        Moonwater!
        shaklee3 5y ago
        The places you read to get the anti-vax data are being paid handsomely in ads.
        proxyon 5y ago
        Please tell me you don't actually believe this
- tommymachine 5y ago
  "yalemedicine.org" is a much more solid red flag than patriots.win. By the way, in response to that subtitle, you know what other cases are "usually mild and get better quickly, experts say"? Hint: It starts with a "c".
brendoelfrendo 5y ago
The CDC saw roughly 1300 cases of myocarditis or myopericarditis reported in mRNA vaccine recipients under 29 years old, after administering 52 million doses to that same age group, a minuscule risk and one much lower than that presented by COVID-19. [1] And even then, in those cases, the vast majority resolve on their own with minimal medical intervention. [2] But hey, have a link to the CDC source of that presentation so you don’t have to go to that .win site anymore to find your sources. They’re pretty bad at sourcing information over there [3] [1] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7027e2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7027e2.htm [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8321962/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8321962/ [3] https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-08-30/03-COVID-Su-508.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-...
- logicchains 5y ago
  From the latest data it looks like the CDC was undercounting: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v...
  - inciampati 5y ago
    > Post-vaccination CAE rate was highest in young boys aged 12-15 following dose two. For boys 12-17 without medical comorbidities, the likelihood of post vaccination dose two CAE is 162.2 and 94.0/million respectively. This incidence exceeds their expected 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization rate at both moderate (August 21, 2021 rates) and high COVID-19 hospitalization incidence. In short, COVID-19 is not very dangerous for younger people. So much so that the vaccine appears to pose a greater health risk.
    - snovv_crash 5y ago
      They aren't comparing apples and apples. CAE occured at all for vaccine, vs. 120+ day stay in hospital for covid. And of course they removed those with comorbidities, who are exactly the ones who are worse affected by covid than the vaccine. Lies, damn lies and statistics?
kristjansson 5y ago
Presenting that table without an applicable denominator is misleading. The N on the table is a count of adverse events, not of people or does. The reported events occurred at a rate of between ~5 and ~70 per million doses administered for the highlighted age groups. Higher than background risk? Yes. High risk? No.
- tommymachine 5y ago
  When compared with the risk profile of covid for these age groups, it tells a very different story than you are suggesting. For older groups the risk of covid hospitalization/death is much higher. For the younger, especially under 18, the risk in this table is much higher (than the risk for COVID complications). Also keep in mind this is just one vaccine complication of many, and that the complications reported in VAERS are incomplete.

enkid 5y ago

And that's why we have tons of studies checking these shots for efficacy and side effects. Studies the mRNA vaccines have passed with flying colors.

Johnny555 5y ago

I would be very skeptical and wonder what the downside is I would too, but this is the same thing that anti-vaxxers are saying about the COVID vaccine

phlipski 5y ago
If I was "skeptical" about something like say the covid vaccine - then I'd go and do some research. And do you know what the research (in this case) would turn up? That the covid vaccines are indeed SAFE AND EFFECTIVE. But you know what most of these "vaccine skeptical" people are NOT doing? They're NOT doing any research to resolve their skepticism. So spare me this vaccine skepticism argument.
- Johnny555 5y ago
  Oh, I think they are doing what they think is "research", but they don't know the difference between anecdotal evidence and scientific evidence. They hear about one pop star's cousin [1] in another country that had swollen testicles after his shot and that's someone that not only they can relate to, but even trust more that official sources because, hey, why would that star lie about it. While many are convinced that the government and health care industry in general has an ulterior motive. It's a combination of disinformation and lack of critical thinking skills. I spent 2 hours on the phone with my brother one night, pointing out why his "sources" were not really authoritative sources - if you can't find the source of their data, don't trust it, "I know a guy who..." is not a "source". Not sure if that's what swayed him, but he got his first vaccination 2 weeks later. And it's a good thing he got it, he and his wife just recovered from COVID which they think their daughter brought home. [1] https://www.huffpost.com/entry/anthony-fauci-nicki-minaj-covid-vaccine-swollen-balls_n_61411c0ce4b09519c50b2238 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/anthony-fauci-nicki-minaj-cov...
  - logicchains 5y ago
    How's this for some scientific evidence: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.30.21262866v... . Or https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v.... Or https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34384810/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34384810/.