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> Some freedom is defined and assigned at the federal, not personal level... That's one philosophy of governance. I believe it to be fundamentally incorrect. B

> Some freedom is defined and assigned at the federal, not personal level... That's one philosophy of governance. I believe it to be fundamentally incorrect. But that's your philosophy and your view on this topic stems from that. I get your point, I just disagree wholeheartedly. I have a right to be selfish. I owe no obligation to anyone else that I have not voluntarily entered into. If you want to redefine "putting other people in harms way" to include breathing the air around me without getting a medical procedure you can, but it is wrong IMO.

dekhn 5y ago
This isn't just a philosophy of governance, it's how nearly every country in this world works. You clearly have limits on the freedoms you claim. For example, if you live in the US and you're male, you're subject to the draft and the government will put you in jail otherwise. There are no universal human rights to be selfish (or any others, either).
- betwixthewires 5y ago
  > You clearly have limits on the freedoms you claim We aren't talking about how things are, we are talking about how things should be, specifically, whether there should be vaccine mandates or not. Other existing violations of rights are wrong also. So it is fundamentally about philosophy of governance. You believe society should come first, individuals can be compelled to benefit society even potentially at great cost to themselves, and that a person is morally wrong for not wanting to go along with that. I believe that it is morally wrong to expect a person to value anyone over themselves that they have not chosen to, or to be compelled to do anything on behalf of someone else.
  - dekhn 5y ago
    Ah, thanks for clarifying. I have nothing further to say to you.
    - betwixthewires 5y ago
      Then why did you even reply?
  - davorak 5y ago
    Do you agree that you liberty to swing your fist ends at a non-consenting nose though right?
    - betwixthewires 5y ago
      Of course.

dekhn 5y ago

This isn't just a philosophy of governance, it's how nearly every country in this world works. You clearly have limits on the freedoms you claim. For example, if you live in the US and you're male, you're subject to the draft and the government will put you in jail otherwise. There are no universal human rights to be selfish (or any others, either).

betwixthewires 5y ago
> You clearly have limits on the freedoms you claim We aren't talking about how things are, we are talking about how things should be, specifically, whether there should be vaccine mandates or not. Other existing violations of rights are wrong also. So it is fundamentally about philosophy of governance. You believe society should come first, individuals can be compelled to benefit society even potentially at great cost to themselves, and that a person is morally wrong for not wanting to go along with that. I believe that it is morally wrong to expect a person to value anyone over themselves that they have not chosen to, or to be compelled to do anything on behalf of someone else.
- dekhn 5y ago
  Ah, thanks for clarifying. I have nothing further to say to you.
  - betwixthewires 5y ago
    Then why did you even reply?
- davorak 5y ago
  Do you agree that you liberty to swing your fist ends at a non-consenting nose though right?
  - betwixthewires 5y ago
    Of course.