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Some other news in relation to the release: - (Proposal) Moving JDK LTS versions to a two year cadence [1]. Java 21 will be next LTS instead of Java 23. - Ora

Some other news in relation to the release: - (Proposal) Moving JDK LTS versions to a two year cadence [1]. Java 21 will be next LTS instead of Java 23. - Oracle JDK is now free for commercial and production use [2]. - A new Java developer site [3]. [1] https://mreinhold.org/blog/forward-even-faster https://mreinhold.org/blog/forward-even-faster [2] https://blogs.oracle.com/java/post/free-java-license https://blogs.oracle.com/java/post/free-java-license [3] https://dev.java/ https://dev.java/

vips7L 5y ago
2 year LTS is exciting! Hopefully the other vendors follow suit.
0x0 5y ago
Another license change for the official oracle jdk? What's the trap this time? :-O
- mschuster91 5y ago
  Probably they got too much flak and a drop in market share (aka companies uninstalling Java, which they probably track in the uninstaller)...
- gmueckl 5y ago
  I am confused by the license. The way I read it, a "bundling" with commercially licensed Software is forbidden, that is, you can't ship the JRE along with a product that you are selling. So your users will face rxtra installation steps
  - bondolo 5y ago
    Or you can pay to license the JRE and include it.
  - Sindisil 5y ago
    They are, however, making a commitment to scripting friendly URLs for the JDK downloads, making it feasible to automate the install. Still, it is pretty lame, since they've been advocating bundling of the JDK since they deprecated the WebStart. OTOH, since Oracle JDK and OpenJDK are identical save for branding and licensing, not sure why you wouldn't just bundle an OpenJDK build in that case. This new license seems to be targeted to two main groups: those who depend upon a "system" install of Oracle Java for running third party apps, and those who are for some reason unwilling to use OpenJDK.
  - native_samples 5y ago
    JRE stopped existing in Java 8. The idea now is you "link" a JVM for your app, which customizes and optimizes it. Then you ship both together. It's the fully supported way and has no license implications. Seems like the new Oracle JDK license is a lot more flexible than before. In reality it's kind of cosmetic because lots of people were using the (100% compatible) Amazon or Azul spins, or just regular OpenJDKs.
    - jollybean 5y ago
      So the comments above seem to indicate that bundling 'JRE' with an app requires a license. Are you indicating that post-java8 model which builds a 'Custom JRE', and distributing that with your app does not require a license?
      - native_samples 5y ago
        Correct. It doesn't count as either a JDK or JRE once linked.
- orthoxerox 5y ago
  Only JDK 17 is free. Earlier versions are not.
  - Sindisil 5y ago
    Of the Oracle branded JDK releases, only version 17 (so far) is free. OpenJDK (which is built from functionally the same source code) has been free under GPL v2.1 + Classpath Exception for a while now.
carimura 5y ago
Thanks for the Dev.java mention. Our team is excited to launch the site. We focused on minimal design (similar to Inside.java) and heavy on content, mostly learning material to start. More to come soon. Feedback here is welcome!
- suyash 5y ago
  Great new site Chad! more blogs, tutorials, articles and possibly community contibutons around the same would be awesome to see :)
  - carimura 5y ago
    Thanks Suyash! External contributions, or at least a more formalized system for feedback, is in the planning stages already.
- Welteam 5y ago
  The responsiveness seems broken because of the "try java" editor. Try it on your phone and you'll see you can move the page horizontally and most of it is blank.
  - carimura 5y ago
    Thanks ya, fixing that up now. edit: fixed
- cstuder 5y ago
  The RSS-feed seems to be missing: https://dev.java/feed.xml https://dev.java/feed.xml (Linked in the footer.)
  - carimura 5y ago
    doh... no RSS feed yet, removed.
- Zababa 5y ago
  It looks nice, it's very readable and reacts well to zoom/unzoom. That's a great website, congrats!
suyash 5y ago
JDK being free for commercial use is fantastic news, no more juggling open JDK repos now
- krzyk 5y ago
  Why? I always downloaded openjdk which was free for few years.
BossingAround 5y ago
> Oracle JDK is now free for commercial and production use. Hopefully, developers have learned to avoid Oracle like a plague after the last absolute licensing failure with JDK that caused all the FUD.
- pgwhalen 5y ago
  There are plenty of reasons to avoid Oracle, but I’m not sure what about the previous licensing change was a failure. OpenJDK builds have always been free (and provided by Oracle). The community terribly overreacted and misunderstood the nature of that change, and indeed caused a lot of FUD.

vips7L 5y ago

2 year LTS is exciting! Hopefully the other vendors follow suit.

0x0 5y ago

Another license change for the official oracle jdk? What's the trap this time? :-O

mschuster91 5y ago
Probably they got too much flak and a drop in market share (aka companies uninstalling Java, which they probably track in the uninstaller)...
gmueckl 5y ago
I am confused by the license. The way I read it, a "bundling" with commercially licensed Software is forbidden, that is, you can't ship the JRE along with a product that you are selling. So your users will face rxtra installation steps
- bondolo 5y ago
  Or you can pay to license the JRE and include it.
- Sindisil 5y ago
  They are, however, making a commitment to scripting friendly URLs for the JDK downloads, making it feasible to automate the install. Still, it is pretty lame, since they've been advocating bundling of the JDK since they deprecated the WebStart. OTOH, since Oracle JDK and OpenJDK are identical save for branding and licensing, not sure why you wouldn't just bundle an OpenJDK build in that case. This new license seems to be targeted to two main groups: those who depend upon a "system" install of Oracle Java for running third party apps, and those who are for some reason unwilling to use OpenJDK.
- native_samples 5y ago
  JRE stopped existing in Java 8. The idea now is you "link" a JVM for your app, which customizes and optimizes it. Then you ship both together. It's the fully supported way and has no license implications. Seems like the new Oracle JDK license is a lot more flexible than before. In reality it's kind of cosmetic because lots of people were using the (100% compatible) Amazon or Azul spins, or just regular OpenJDKs.
  - jollybean 5y ago
    So the comments above seem to indicate that bundling 'JRE' with an app requires a license. Are you indicating that post-java8 model which builds a 'Custom JRE', and distributing that with your app does not require a license?
    - native_samples 5y ago
      Correct. It doesn't count as either a JDK or JRE once linked.
orthoxerox 5y ago
Only JDK 17 is free. Earlier versions are not.
- Sindisil 5y ago
  Of the Oracle branded JDK releases, only version 17 (so far) is free. OpenJDK (which is built from functionally the same source code) has been free under GPL v2.1 + Classpath Exception for a while now.

carimura 5y ago

Thanks for the Dev.java mention. Our team is excited to launch the site. We focused on minimal design (similar to Inside.java) and heavy on content, mostly learning material to start. More to come soon. Feedback here is welcome!

suyash 5y ago
Great new site Chad! more blogs, tutorials, articles and possibly community contibutons around the same would be awesome to see :)
- carimura 5y ago
  Thanks Suyash! External contributions, or at least a more formalized system for feedback, is in the planning stages already.
Welteam 5y ago
The responsiveness seems broken because of the "try java" editor. Try it on your phone and you'll see you can move the page horizontally and most of it is blank.
- carimura 5y ago
  Thanks ya, fixing that up now. edit: fixed
cstuder 5y ago
The RSS-feed seems to be missing: https://dev.java/feed.xml https://dev.java/feed.xml (Linked in the footer.)
- carimura 5y ago
  doh... no RSS feed yet, removed.
Zababa 5y ago
It looks nice, it's very readable and reacts well to zoom/unzoom. That's a great website, congrats!

suyash 5y ago

JDK being free for commercial use is fantastic news, no more juggling open JDK repos now

krzyk 5y ago
Why? I always downloaded openjdk which was free for few years.

BossingAround 5y ago

> Oracle JDK is now free for commercial and production use. Hopefully, developers have learned to avoid Oracle like a plague after the last absolute licensing failure with JDK that caused all the FUD.

pgwhalen 5y ago
There are plenty of reasons to avoid Oracle, but I’m not sure what about the previous licensing change was a failure. OpenJDK builds have always been free (and provided by Oracle). The community terribly overreacted and misunderstood the nature of that change, and indeed caused a lot of FUD.