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Not quite sure why you absolutely need the booster shot, could you explain more there? Is that personal preference. Having both almost entirely eliminates the r

Not quite sure why you absolutely need the booster shot, could you explain more there? Is that personal preference. Having both almost entirely eliminates the risk of hospitalisation from the other strains.

causi 5y ago
People who got vaccinated five or six months ago are seeing their immunity rate drop to around eighty percent. That's double the risk compared to a fresh vaccination.
- standardUser 5y ago
  Studies have primarily observed a modest decline in effectiveness among older people and the immunocompromised, which is why some jurisdictions have recommended boosters for these people (Israel, California). There is a reason boosters have not been approved anywhere for the general population, and that is because so far the data does not indicate they are necessary.
  - causi 5y ago
    Necessary and useful are two vastly different things. My state is throwing expired vaccine into the garbage. I'd take a booster even if it only made me five percent safer.
    - shotta 5y ago
      The meme of people sticking themselves with every needle they can get ahold of is real? I think this is a bad idea, to make this booster decision on your own. Talk to your doctor first.
      - causi 5y ago
        I never said I was making a booster decision on my own. I said I'd be willing to accept a booster shot even if it only somewhat increased my immunity.
    - treesknees 5y ago
      This is the part I don't understand. There is an oversupply of vaccines, why not let me go get my 3rd shot if it's already here? I understand the desire to take those "extra" vaccines and ship them to other countries, but if the vaccine is already distributed out around the country, it would be more expensive and hazardous to collect them back up safely than to just administer boosters to those who want it.
      - ufo 5y ago
        The vaccines that are already distributed were distributed considering the original plan of only two doses per person. More vaccines would need to be ordered to get enough for a third dose.
        treesknees 5y ago
        Right, but if you order enough to give 100 people 2 doses (200 doses) and only 50 decide to get the vaccine, you have 100 doses left over. The COVID vaccines have essentially a 6-month shelf life before they are considered expired [1]. So if the example doses above were delivered several months ago, the period for collecting and transporting them to another country is pretty small. Instead of throwing away this unused vaccine, it could be given to people who are willing to participate in a booster study or would like to have it, without making the booster mandatory. Obviously a mandate wouldn't work for the excess supply sitting around. [1]https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/national-international/unused-covid-vaccines-may-expire-what-expiration-dates-mean/2648675/ https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/national-international/unused-co...
- heavenlyblue 5y ago
  Is that entirely true even for people who have a life outside their own home? I would assume being constantly bombarded by the viruses outside would keep their immunity higher than expected?
- nradov 5y ago
  Do you have a citation for that 80% number?
  - causi 5y ago
    The Pfizer vaccine loses 6% effectiveness every two months. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/28/pfizers-ceo-says-covid-vaccine-effectiveness-drops-to-84percent-after-six-months.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/28/pfizers-ceo-says-covid-vacci...
    - nradov 5y ago
      That article indicates the Pfizer vaccine loses 6% effectiveness every two months within a six month period. It doesn't say anything about what happens after six months.

causi 5y ago

People who got vaccinated five or six months ago are seeing their immunity rate drop to around eighty percent. That's double the risk compared to a fresh vaccination.

standardUser 5y ago
Studies have primarily observed a modest decline in effectiveness among older people and the immunocompromised, which is why some jurisdictions have recommended boosters for these people (Israel, California). There is a reason boosters have not been approved anywhere for the general population, and that is because so far the data does not indicate they are necessary.
- causi 5y ago
  Necessary and useful are two vastly different things. My state is throwing expired vaccine into the garbage. I'd take a booster even if it only made me five percent safer.
  - shotta 5y ago
    The meme of people sticking themselves with every needle they can get ahold of is real? I think this is a bad idea, to make this booster decision on your own. Talk to your doctor first.
    - causi 5y ago
      I never said I was making a booster decision on my own. I said I'd be willing to accept a booster shot even if it only somewhat increased my immunity.
  - treesknees 5y ago
    This is the part I don't understand. There is an oversupply of vaccines, why not let me go get my 3rd shot if it's already here? I understand the desire to take those "extra" vaccines and ship them to other countries, but if the vaccine is already distributed out around the country, it would be more expensive and hazardous to collect them back up safely than to just administer boosters to those who want it.
    - ufo 5y ago
      The vaccines that are already distributed were distributed considering the original plan of only two doses per person. More vaccines would need to be ordered to get enough for a third dose.
      - treesknees 5y ago
        Right, but if you order enough to give 100 people 2 doses (200 doses) and only 50 decide to get the vaccine, you have 100 doses left over. The COVID vaccines have essentially a 6-month shelf life before they are considered expired [1]. So if the example doses above were delivered several months ago, the period for collecting and transporting them to another country is pretty small. Instead of throwing away this unused vaccine, it could be given to people who are willing to participate in a booster study or would like to have it, without making the booster mandatory. Obviously a mandate wouldn't work for the excess supply sitting around. [1]https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/national-international/unused-covid-vaccines-may-expire-what-expiration-dates-mean/2648675/ https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/national-international/unused-co...
heavenlyblue 5y ago
Is that entirely true even for people who have a life outside their own home? I would assume being constantly bombarded by the viruses outside would keep their immunity higher than expected?
nradov 5y ago
Do you have a citation for that 80% number?
- causi 5y ago
  The Pfizer vaccine loses 6% effectiveness every two months. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/28/pfizers-ceo-says-covid-vaccine-effectiveness-drops-to-84percent-after-six-months.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/28/pfizers-ceo-says-covid-vacci...
  - nradov 5y ago
    That article indicates the Pfizer vaccine loses 6% effectiveness every two months within a six month period. It doesn't say anything about what happens after six months.