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Israel isn't among the countries with the highest vaccination rates anymore, quite a few other countries have overtaken it.

swader999 5y ago
Ok well you can't beat Gibraltar at 99%. But you look at other countries. New Zealand is a good one. Their hospitals are getting swamped with kids right now with severe RSV. Why? They've had their immune systems degraded from some of the most severe lockdowns I the planet. And admittedly they aren't in a covid spike but the effective lockdown has created other problems.
- nradov 5y ago
  This shouldn't be down voted. It appears to be correct and is a subject of active concern in NZ. https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2021/08/02/fight-against-rsv-flu.html https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2021/08/02/fight-against-...
  - SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
    I down-voted because that has nothing to do with a "degraded immune systems". Many of the more common respiratory viruses also died out in New Zealand with the quarantine. Kids never got a chance to develop immunity to those particular diseases previously and now it's coming on in a wave as they are reintroduced. It's not that their response is special, in normal circumstances kids would have gotten sick and been hospitalized, that it's happening all at once is.
    - swader999 5y ago
      No, they would have stronger immune systems from repeated exposure without the extreme lockdowns NZ introduced and less hospitalizations. Respiratory viruses don't die out, they can persist in animal populations indefinitely. Sars Cov2 antibodies detected in 40% of NE deer populations for instance. Not to mention cats and dogs...
      - SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
        I assume you have evidence of the claim that by being regularly sick your immune system is stronger? Sure, it's run into more things it has learned to fight, but just because it knows how to fight a catalogue of things it doesn't mean that it will be better with the next novel pandemic, right?
        nradov 5y ago
        The risk is more around autoimmune conditions like asthma and allergies. If the immune system doesn't start fighting off a variety of pathogens from an early age then it might go haywire later. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2841828/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2841828/ We should be focusing on overall health rather than just individual infectious diseases.
        SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
        I don't much care for the hygiene hypothesis for allergies. I grew up on an acreage with all sorts of animals. I'm allergic to all of them, so much so that my parents got my allergy shots for several years. I'm most allergic to horses, which we had a trio of. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. And if it were true I'd much prefer more allergies to COVID. Of note in that paper they are suggesting therapeutic strategies that involve controlled exposure of particular items, and how those exposures are fraught with potential dangers as well.
nradov 5y ago
Singapore has an 81% full vaccination rates but is experiencing a rise in symptomatic cases. https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/seriously-ill-covid-19-patients-double-vaccine-pace-setter-singapore-2021-09-13/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/seriously-ill-cov...

swader999 5y ago

Ok well you can't beat Gibraltar at 99%. But you look at other countries. New Zealand is a good one. Their hospitals are getting swamped with kids right now with severe RSV. Why? They've had their immune systems degraded from some of the most severe lockdowns I the planet. And admittedly they aren't in a covid spike but the effective lockdown has created other problems.

nradov 5y ago
This shouldn't be down voted. It appears to be correct and is a subject of active concern in NZ. https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2021/08/02/fight-against-rsv-flu.html https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2021/08/02/fight-against-...
- SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
  I down-voted because that has nothing to do with a "degraded immune systems". Many of the more common respiratory viruses also died out in New Zealand with the quarantine. Kids never got a chance to develop immunity to those particular diseases previously and now it's coming on in a wave as they are reintroduced. It's not that their response is special, in normal circumstances kids would have gotten sick and been hospitalized, that it's happening all at once is.
  - swader999 5y ago
    No, they would have stronger immune systems from repeated exposure without the extreme lockdowns NZ introduced and less hospitalizations. Respiratory viruses don't die out, they can persist in animal populations indefinitely. Sars Cov2 antibodies detected in 40% of NE deer populations for instance. Not to mention cats and dogs...
    - SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
      I assume you have evidence of the claim that by being regularly sick your immune system is stronger? Sure, it's run into more things it has learned to fight, but just because it knows how to fight a catalogue of things it doesn't mean that it will be better with the next novel pandemic, right?
      - nradov 5y ago
        The risk is more around autoimmune conditions like asthma and allergies. If the immune system doesn't start fighting off a variety of pathogens from an early age then it might go haywire later. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2841828/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2841828/ We should be focusing on overall health rather than just individual infectious diseases.
        SketchySeaBeast 5y ago
        I don't much care for the hygiene hypothesis for allergies. I grew up on an acreage with all sorts of animals. I'm allergic to all of them, so much so that my parents got my allergy shots for several years. I'm most allergic to horses, which we had a trio of. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. And if it were true I'd much prefer more allergies to COVID. Of note in that paper they are suggesting therapeutic strategies that involve controlled exposure of particular items, and how those exposures are fraught with potential dangers as well.

nradov 5y ago

Singapore has an 81% full vaccination rates but is experiencing a rise in symptomatic cases. https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/seriously-ill-covid-19-patients-double-vaccine-pace-setter-singapore-2021-09-13/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/seriously-ill-cov...