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i know this is political for americans, but going forward i can only see homeschooling via remote schooling becoming more and more prevalent as families move aw

i know this is political for americans, but going forward i can only see homeschooling via remote schooling becoming more and more prevalent as families move away from dense cities, and others choose travel as a long-term living situation. it even makes ecological and epidemiological sense and i think more and more countries will warm into it. As for the socializing aspects of school, they 'll be replaced with neighborhood socializing, like it used to be

coding123 5y ago
Someone in one of my college classes said 20 years ago that he saw society at some point topple and the people would go back "in" and him saying that has stuck with me this entire time.
ThePadawan 5y ago
I don't know much about the terminology here, but doesn't "homeschooling" generally imply "the parents determine what the kid gets taught, they just have to make it through finals" and "remote schooling" imply "while still following the school's syllabus"? That's a potentially big difference.
- cblconfederate 5y ago
  u re right -- i had the latter in mind. But if people do choose to become more mobile, they 'll still want their kids to follow a stable curriculum, which means essentially homeschooling (even if it means they follow the state-school classes of their home country)
- vorpalhex 5y ago
  We're in kind of an interesting time. It isn't weird for homeschooled kids to have a teacher brought in for specialized subjects. Many homeschool groups actually pool and will have parents teach different subjects. Remote learning seems like a good tool in the mix. It does lend to being more hybrid than pure "home school".
  - treeman79 5y ago
    Wife is a Teacher and we have a mix of kids. Experience for school is that remote learning was nearly worthless for little ones. Improving for each grade level. School refuses to use remote leaning because of this. Our own experience was same. Older the kids the better it worked. We hired private tutors to keep youngest on target. The school was a waste.
    - vorpalhex 5y ago
      If you don't mind me peppering you with questions... + Would it have been better if remote sessions were smaller? Eg 1 on 1 or groups of 3? + How much did the remote software itself become a problem? Latency, tech issues, bad resolution? + Did you feel the content was suitable and tailored for remote learning?
      - treeman79 5y ago
        Someone who can’t really read is handed a computer. There is a dozen different applications and passwords. Kid knows none of them. The teachers know maybe half of them. The number of ways the kid can turn off wifi, disable the mouse or change computer language is amazing. Mute button took class a month to figure out. Headphones have their own mic button. Did I mention the kids can’t read, yet are expected to open the correct application or website.
- rossdavidh 5y ago
  Speaking as a parent whose daughter is homeschooled, I can say that many (most?) "homeschooled" students are getting at least some of the curriculum from a coop, company, or part-time school. The parents having to develop the whole curriculum was more common when homeschooling was a rarer thing; there are now lots of organizations (for-profit and otherwise) catering to them. Plus, homeschool coops give the kids more social interaction, which many families prefer. I think the big difference about "remote schooling" is that once you're doing that, it raises the question of "is my public school the one that is best at this, or should I use someone else?" In some cases they may be, but often they are not.
  - ThePadawan 5y ago
    Thanks for the valuable insights! I am German and thus have very different experiences. AFAIK home schooling in Germany is still illegal (as in "not being enrolled in a school at all") because it is (edit: in the opinion of the German state, not necessarily mine) basically essential to a child's development to be part of a social classroom experience. Seeing how (a vast majority of) schools are also free and ~good, my very clichéd understanding is that the only parents that want to home school their children are those with extreme religious or political opinions they want to foist upon them.
    - tnorthcutt 5y ago
      my very clichéd understanding is that the only parents that want to home school their children are those with extreme religious or political opinions they want to foist upon them. Anecdotally, this is incorrect. Source: we have homeschooled our child in the past (though we are not right now), and we do not have extreme opinions that we want to foist upon them. I realize I am a sample size of one, but you did say only.
      - pope_meat 5y ago
        I'm sure you don't, but we're mere mortals with biases and blind spots, one person's reasonable views are extreme to another. This is also anecdotal, but every nutcase I've ever met felt their views were reasonable and obvious. Maybe we're all nutcases, even.
jdavis703 5y ago
I was homeschooled in the 90s/00s. We didn’t do any neighborhood socializing. And there were lots of families in the neighborhood.
- cblconfederate 5y ago
  with homeschoolers? well i thought kids naturally attract other kids in proximity for play.
jkestner 5y ago
What’s your data that suggests people are moving away from dense cities? Rural population is dropping. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/rural-population https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/rura...
- Mountain_Skies 5y ago
  COVID has changed everything. Perhaps temporarily, perhaps permanently. I'd caution against reading too much into pre-covid trends or covid trends. This has been a hugely disruptive event and it will take time to see how it changes societal behavior patterns.
- cblconfederate 5y ago
  dense cities, not cities in general. rural living is not for everyone
namdnay 5y ago
I agree with some of what you're saying, but I don't think it makes any ecological sense. If you're aiming for a low carbon lifestyle, living in a flat within walking/cycling distance of everything you need is far better than having everyone spread far apart

coding123 5y ago

Someone in one of my college classes said 20 years ago that he saw society at some point topple and the people would go back "in" and him saying that has stuck with me this entire time.

ThePadawan 5y ago

I don't know much about the terminology here, but doesn't "homeschooling" generally imply "the parents determine what the kid gets taught, they just have to make it through finals" and "remote schooling" imply "while still following the school's syllabus"? That's a potentially big difference.

cblconfederate 5y ago
u re right -- i had the latter in mind. But if people do choose to become more mobile, they 'll still want their kids to follow a stable curriculum, which means essentially homeschooling (even if it means they follow the state-school classes of their home country)
vorpalhex 5y ago
We're in kind of an interesting time. It isn't weird for homeschooled kids to have a teacher brought in for specialized subjects. Many homeschool groups actually pool and will have parents teach different subjects. Remote learning seems like a good tool in the mix. It does lend to being more hybrid than pure "home school".
- treeman79 5y ago
  Wife is a Teacher and we have a mix of kids. Experience for school is that remote learning was nearly worthless for little ones. Improving for each grade level. School refuses to use remote leaning because of this. Our own experience was same. Older the kids the better it worked. We hired private tutors to keep youngest on target. The school was a waste.
  - vorpalhex 5y ago
    If you don't mind me peppering you with questions... + Would it have been better if remote sessions were smaller? Eg 1 on 1 or groups of 3? + How much did the remote software itself become a problem? Latency, tech issues, bad resolution? + Did you feel the content was suitable and tailored for remote learning?
    - treeman79 5y ago
      Someone who can’t really read is handed a computer. There is a dozen different applications and passwords. Kid knows none of them. The teachers know maybe half of them. The number of ways the kid can turn off wifi, disable the mouse or change computer language is amazing. Mute button took class a month to figure out. Headphones have their own mic button. Did I mention the kids can’t read, yet are expected to open the correct application or website.
rossdavidh 5y ago
Speaking as a parent whose daughter is homeschooled, I can say that many (most?) "homeschooled" students are getting at least some of the curriculum from a coop, company, or part-time school. The parents having to develop the whole curriculum was more common when homeschooling was a rarer thing; there are now lots of organizations (for-profit and otherwise) catering to them. Plus, homeschool coops give the kids more social interaction, which many families prefer. I think the big difference about "remote schooling" is that once you're doing that, it raises the question of "is my public school the one that is best at this, or should I use someone else?" In some cases they may be, but often they are not.
- ThePadawan 5y ago
  Thanks for the valuable insights! I am German and thus have very different experiences. AFAIK home schooling in Germany is still illegal (as in "not being enrolled in a school at all") because it is (edit: in the opinion of the German state, not necessarily mine) basically essential to a child's development to be part of a social classroom experience. Seeing how (a vast majority of) schools are also free and ~good, my very clichéd understanding is that the only parents that want to home school their children are those with extreme religious or political opinions they want to foist upon them.
  - tnorthcutt 5y ago
    my very clichéd understanding is that the only parents that want to home school their children are those with extreme religious or political opinions they want to foist upon them. Anecdotally, this is incorrect. Source: we have homeschooled our child in the past (though we are not right now), and we do not have extreme opinions that we want to foist upon them. I realize I am a sample size of one, but you did say only.
    - pope_meat 5y ago
      I'm sure you don't, but we're mere mortals with biases and blind spots, one person's reasonable views are extreme to another. This is also anecdotal, but every nutcase I've ever met felt their views were reasonable and obvious. Maybe we're all nutcases, even.

jdavis703 5y ago

I was homeschooled in the 90s/00s. We didn’t do any neighborhood socializing. And there were lots of families in the neighborhood.

cblconfederate 5y ago
with homeschoolers? well i thought kids naturally attract other kids in proximity for play.

jkestner 5y ago

What’s your data that suggests people are moving away from dense cities? Rural population is dropping. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/rural-population https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/rura...

Mountain_Skies 5y ago
COVID has changed everything. Perhaps temporarily, perhaps permanently. I'd caution against reading too much into pre-covid trends or covid trends. This has been a hugely disruptive event and it will take time to see how it changes societal behavior patterns.
cblconfederate 5y ago
dense cities, not cities in general. rural living is not for everyone

namdnay 5y ago

I agree with some of what you're saying, but I don't think it makes any ecological sense. If you're aiming for a low carbon lifestyle, living in a flat within walking/cycling distance of everything you need is far better than having everyone spread far apart