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I don't want to do victim blaming or shaming here but why would you use any fb product knowing well about their awful business practices like these?

CiPHPerCoder 5y ago
I maintain an account only so nobody can impersonate me to others.
- cratermoon 5y ago
  Ditto. Squatting my own identity.
hirako2000 5y ago
Because of its network effect. Removing facebook, in a way is removing members of our connection circles.
- brodouevencode 5y ago
  > removing members of our connection circles Does it really? Whatever happened to just a friendly weekly email?
  - EamonnMR 5y ago
    It got replaced by social media
    - brodouevencode 5y ago
      It did, but did it ever _have_ to be?
      - minsc__and__boo 5y ago
        Nothing ever _has_ to happen; that implies intent in markets. Efficiencies and user experience are better for more users on social media than email, despite it's obvious flaws. Did regional steel mills _have_ to replace local blacksmiths? No, but they did.
      - EamonnMR 5y ago
        If you where sent into the year 2000 with a mission to prevent the adoption of social media and instead maintain Email's dominance, what would you do?
        hirako2000 5y ago
        Build an open messaging protocol and decent clients. Oh wait, some did exactly that. The problem sadly isn't tech related. It's education. Corporates will market to the masses who are mostly tech ignorant, if not politically and economically ignorant too. So even with alternatives, the power of commercial communication is greater than what non profit are able to afford. We will have to wait for people to suffer further and further, more will open their eyes to it, until radical resistance settles in people's limbic systems. We are getting close I think, I hope.
  - orhmeh09 5y ago
    I have not received a friendly email in more than a decade. It’s all on social media unless it’s work or spam.
  - corobo 5y ago
    I'm in my 30s and a friendly email (from a person not relating to business) has never existed in my life haha Man I'd love it if I could communicate socially via email, nobody I know would go for it
    - lapetitejort 5y ago
      Honest question: have you tried writing first? I communicate with a few people via email every few months. It might start with a forwarded email, or just a quick how-do-you-do, then it deepens into long multi-paragraph replies over the course of days. Being able to sit down to write and rewrite what's been going on without someone watching the little typing bubble means I can get more in-depth with how I've been feeling. I would give it a shot. Try sending people a quick email. If they never reply, no biggie. If they do, you may be surprised at the result.
      - corobo 5y ago
        I would feel kinda silly asking for someone's email address over a chat messenger, but you are correct there's no attempt my side either. "nobody would go for it" is an assumption on my part I'll make a point to give it a go :)
        hirako2000 5y ago
        Let us know how it goes. Our limbic system is more accurate than our perception abilities. The issue with email is partly a slight inconvenience. Unless you input large content, the UX time overhead is significant enough to prefer IM. EMails has not been designed for frequent back and forth on the same thread even if occasional. From there you loose most people. Email hasn't changed much, from the time we barely had Internet connections, the burden to find a connected client was enough to forgive the UX issue. Enter email address, autocomplete, type text, click send is enough a deterent for most of us to favor a chat window, type and press enter. And scroll up to see what was communicated prior. Got an image or audio? Drop it in, press enter. You can even record a quick audio message and boom, sent. Email client and protocol simply don't support that. At best you get addons which aren't necessarily supported on the other side. Openness is the solution, but email protocol doesn't have what is needed for current needs of communication. Corporates building these tools now have the network effect, keeping the crowd in their walled gardens.
  - astura 5y ago
    Nobody checks their email anymore.
  - Sebb767 5y ago
    I recently asked a ~20 year old to stay in contact via mail (as I don't have IG or FB) and just got a 'lol'. So this mostly disappeared. (I have one friend I send mails to occasionally, though)
- asdff 5y ago
  Might be an unpopular opinion but if you have a connection that exists only via social media and not at least via phone calling or some other more personal forms of communication too, its not much of a real connection.
  - jedberg 5y ago
    I wish I had time to text and call every one of my friends, but sadly I just don't. Facebook is perfect because I can post there and all my friends see it without me having to call or text every one of them the same story. Then when we do get a chance to meet up, we can skip right to the discussion of the thing instead of me first having to tell the story. Especially since some of my friends live very far away and have very busy jobs so we only see each other every few years, but this way I can still keep up on their lives and they on mine.
mtnGoat 5y ago
Fair and valid question. I got rid of Facebook over a year ago but still use IG, but I cringe when I do. Sadly I’m happy I left Facebook but I will admit I’ve missed a lot of news and events in friends personal lives. A good friends mom, whom I was very fond of, passed away and I learned about it months later. Another friend had a fast growing tumor and I missed that news and never got a last phone call with him. Both of which I regret missing out on. I’ll still maintain I’m happy with my departure, but it has its drawbacks unfortunately. Double edged sword indeed.
- reayn 5y ago
  I've been a social media hermit for basically my entire life so far but folded in and installed IG a couple weeks ago once I entered university. It's sadly just the norm. Telling someone my age to "just not use social media" seems like a boomer's shriek, and almost every club or association manages does all its' event coordination and stuff over IG. It's extremely hard to get by, keep up with people, or even make friends without it. The same could also be said for Discord as well, which I've seen over the past 4-5 years grow from a gamer-exclusive chat platform to what is probably the #1 choice for students nowadays for group interactions. As far as we've come though I still think these kinds of things are still in their infancy when it comes to their impact on us as a society, so I guess the best thing to do is just wait and see what happens.
annadane 5y ago
Because they employ blitzkrieg tactics that nobody should be able to get away with and by the time we notice it's too late to change our consumption habits

CiPHPerCoder 5y ago

I maintain an account only so nobody can impersonate me to others.

cratermoon 5y ago
Ditto. Squatting my own identity.

hirako2000 5y ago

Because of its network effect. Removing facebook, in a way is removing members of our connection circles.

brodouevencode 5y ago
> removing members of our connection circles Does it really? Whatever happened to just a friendly weekly email?
- EamonnMR 5y ago
  It got replaced by social media
  - brodouevencode 5y ago
    It did, but did it ever _have_ to be?
    - minsc__and__boo 5y ago
      Nothing ever _has_ to happen; that implies intent in markets. Efficiencies and user experience are better for more users on social media than email, despite it's obvious flaws. Did regional steel mills _have_ to replace local blacksmiths? No, but they did.
    - EamonnMR 5y ago
      If you where sent into the year 2000 with a mission to prevent the adoption of social media and instead maintain Email's dominance, what would you do?
      - hirako2000 5y ago
        Build an open messaging protocol and decent clients. Oh wait, some did exactly that. The problem sadly isn't tech related. It's education. Corporates will market to the masses who are mostly tech ignorant, if not politically and economically ignorant too. So even with alternatives, the power of commercial communication is greater than what non profit are able to afford. We will have to wait for people to suffer further and further, more will open their eyes to it, until radical resistance settles in people's limbic systems. We are getting close I think, I hope.
- orhmeh09 5y ago
  I have not received a friendly email in more than a decade. It’s all on social media unless it’s work or spam.
- corobo 5y ago
  I'm in my 30s and a friendly email (from a person not relating to business) has never existed in my life haha Man I'd love it if I could communicate socially via email, nobody I know would go for it
  - lapetitejort 5y ago
    Honest question: have you tried writing first? I communicate with a few people via email every few months. It might start with a forwarded email, or just a quick how-do-you-do, then it deepens into long multi-paragraph replies over the course of days. Being able to sit down to write and rewrite what's been going on without someone watching the little typing bubble means I can get more in-depth with how I've been feeling. I would give it a shot. Try sending people a quick email. If they never reply, no biggie. If they do, you may be surprised at the result.
    - corobo 5y ago
      I would feel kinda silly asking for someone's email address over a chat messenger, but you are correct there's no attempt my side either. "nobody would go for it" is an assumption on my part I'll make a point to give it a go :)
      - hirako2000 5y ago
        Let us know how it goes. Our limbic system is more accurate than our perception abilities. The issue with email is partly a slight inconvenience. Unless you input large content, the UX time overhead is significant enough to prefer IM. EMails has not been designed for frequent back and forth on the same thread even if occasional. From there you loose most people. Email hasn't changed much, from the time we barely had Internet connections, the burden to find a connected client was enough to forgive the UX issue. Enter email address, autocomplete, type text, click send is enough a deterent for most of us to favor a chat window, type and press enter. And scroll up to see what was communicated prior. Got an image or audio? Drop it in, press enter. You can even record a quick audio message and boom, sent. Email client and protocol simply don't support that. At best you get addons which aren't necessarily supported on the other side. Openness is the solution, but email protocol doesn't have what is needed for current needs of communication. Corporates building these tools now have the network effect, keeping the crowd in their walled gardens.
- astura 5y ago
  Nobody checks their email anymore.
- Sebb767 5y ago
  I recently asked a ~20 year old to stay in contact via mail (as I don't have IG or FB) and just got a 'lol'. So this mostly disappeared. (I have one friend I send mails to occasionally, though)
asdff 5y ago
Might be an unpopular opinion but if you have a connection that exists only via social media and not at least via phone calling or some other more personal forms of communication too, its not much of a real connection.
- jedberg 5y ago
  I wish I had time to text and call every one of my friends, but sadly I just don't. Facebook is perfect because I can post there and all my friends see it without me having to call or text every one of them the same story. Then when we do get a chance to meet up, we can skip right to the discussion of the thing instead of me first having to tell the story. Especially since some of my friends live very far away and have very busy jobs so we only see each other every few years, but this way I can still keep up on their lives and they on mine.

mtnGoat 5y ago

Fair and valid question. I got rid of Facebook over a year ago but still use IG, but I cringe when I do. Sadly I’m happy I left Facebook but I will admit I’ve missed a lot of news and events in friends personal lives. A good friends mom, whom I was very fond of, passed away and I learned about it months later. Another friend had a fast growing tumor and I missed that news and never got a last phone call with him. Both of which I regret missing out on. I’ll still maintain I’m happy with my departure, but it has its drawbacks unfortunately. Double edged sword indeed.

reayn 5y ago
I've been a social media hermit for basically my entire life so far but folded in and installed IG a couple weeks ago once I entered university. It's sadly just the norm. Telling someone my age to "just not use social media" seems like a boomer's shriek, and almost every club or association manages does all its' event coordination and stuff over IG. It's extremely hard to get by, keep up with people, or even make friends without it. The same could also be said for Discord as well, which I've seen over the past 4-5 years grow from a gamer-exclusive chat platform to what is probably the #1 choice for students nowadays for group interactions. As far as we've come though I still think these kinds of things are still in their infancy when it comes to their impact on us as a society, so I guess the best thing to do is just wait and see what happens.

annadane 5y ago

Because they employ blitzkrieg tactics that nobody should be able to get away with and by the time we notice it's too late to change our consumption habits