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Smart action by the French government. France is not necessarily the most attractive country for medical workers and doctors in terms of income so being gratefu

by sersi 5y ago

Smart action by the French government. France is not necessarily the most attractive country for medical workers and doctors in terms of income so being grateful for their support and giving them the citizenship is a smart thing to do when France needs more people doing those job.

carlob 5y ago
This has nothing to do with doctors... medical workers are a small minority of the people being granted citizenship, a lot of these were street cleaners, caretakers, grocery store employees... They just took a bunch of essential workers who would have requested citizenship otherwise and lowered the legal stay requirement from 5 to 2 years for them.
- thatfrenchguy 5y ago
  Which is really smart because those people will remember they were valued by the government.
  - jhgb 5y ago
    Service guarantees citizenship!
    - make_clean 5y ago
      I see what you did there.
    - legacynl 5y ago
      This sounds kinda creepy, but I don't think it is. To be part of a society is to work together, if you've shown to be willing to go the extra mile for your fellow citizens, it's a good sign of being a good society member.
  - Factorium 5y ago
    Its not necessarily smart, these people will go on to impose large welfare, pension, healthcare burdens on the host society. Its easy for the French political elite to sign laws like this, but the social and economic burden of these decisions are borne by the lower classes. Its much more likely that this is a decision to add an extra 12,000 Macron voters to the rolls.
    - thatfrenchguy 5y ago
      They don’t, in France you pay money into healthcare/retirement and you don’t need citizenship to get welfare. Valuing people who put their lives on the line during a major healthcare crisis is the right thing to do.
    - wreath 5y ago
      they contribute to the system so they should be entitled to reap the benefits regardless of citizenship status. Your argument could be said for the unproductives natives as well, who are a burden on society
    - gamesbrainiac 5y ago
      These immigrants in general have more children, who in turn work and pay for your pension. French birthrate is below 2.11.
      - Factorium 5y ago
        If French society is anything like Danish society, migrants from certain regions will use more in Government services than they will contribute in taxes: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/S00148-017-0636-1 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/S00148-017-0636-1 "Immigrants from Western countries have a positive fiscal impact, while immigrants from non-Western countries have a large negative one"
        systemvoltage 5y ago
        I visited Marseille a few years ago and the place is run down by immigrants to the point of no return. Filthy, druggy, prostitution everywhere.
  - chuckee 5y ago
    Is that how it worked out in, for example, Germany, with their Turkish immigrants? Are they the most grateful ones?
    - jmll 5y ago
      This kind of rhethoric weakens the discussion on the site. You can surely rephrase your counterpoint and avoid the implied sarcasm.
      - chuckee 5y ago
        What weakens discussion is willful historical blindness, as demonstrated by the comment I replied to.
  - PoignardAzur 5y ago
    I wouldn't hold my breath too much. Immigrant communities have a lot of resentment for the French government.
- Scoundreller 5y ago
  Will it still be another 1-2 year wait for an interview once they’re eligible or is that being sped up too?
  - BossingAround 5y ago
    Are you basing the question on your experience with the French immigration system? In other words, why would there be a 1-year+ wait for an interview?
    - ILikeBikes 5y ago
      Legally, the government has to reply within 18 months after your application, according to the page about Naturalisation on service-public.fr, an official website (idk if I may post links) In some cities like Lyon, you can indeed wait 1+ year for the process. Informally, the Administration / "Préfectures" are infamous for being slow, and requests are processed in each administrative division, so you'd rather not be in a city where there are a lot of applicants.
    - ILikeBikes 5y ago
      I mean, anyway, being naturalised here happens when you are in a stable situation, and is very symbolic in that case, so there is no rush. If you live in France, you are welcome to be in here, you can vote for local elections if you're from the EU, you pay taxes or not according to your income, like anyone else, you can access the full social security system and other public services,... I understand that being French is a stateless concept about living in here and sharing the moment, and it's not just a legal status ; so it makes sense if it takes time, but it arrives eventually.
      - Scoundreller 5y ago
        Depends how good or useless your existing passport is. Travelling as a French national is a lot easier than travelling as an Algerian or Lebanese national. If you’re a Canadian or USian, it’s largely meh to get your French citizenship to travel.
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by sersi 5y ago

carlob 5y ago

This has nothing to do with doctors... medical workers are a small minority of the people being granted citizenship, a lot of these were street cleaners, caretakers, grocery store employees... They just took a bunch of essential workers who would have requested citizenship otherwise and lowered the legal stay requirement from 5 to 2 years for them.

thatfrenchguy 5y ago
Which is really smart because those people will remember they were valued by the government.
- jhgb 5y ago
  Service guarantees citizenship!
  - make_clean 5y ago
    I see what you did there.
  - legacynl 5y ago
    This sounds kinda creepy, but I don't think it is. To be part of a society is to work together, if you've shown to be willing to go the extra mile for your fellow citizens, it's a good sign of being a good society member.
- Factorium 5y ago
  Its not necessarily smart, these people will go on to impose large welfare, pension, healthcare burdens on the host society. Its easy for the French political elite to sign laws like this, but the social and economic burden of these decisions are borne by the lower classes. Its much more likely that this is a decision to add an extra 12,000 Macron voters to the rolls.
  - thatfrenchguy 5y ago
    They don’t, in France you pay money into healthcare/retirement and you don’t need citizenship to get welfare. Valuing people who put their lives on the line during a major healthcare crisis is the right thing to do.
  - wreath 5y ago
    they contribute to the system so they should be entitled to reap the benefits regardless of citizenship status. Your argument could be said for the unproductives natives as well, who are a burden on society
  - gamesbrainiac 5y ago
    These immigrants in general have more children, who in turn work and pay for your pension. French birthrate is below 2.11.
    - Factorium 5y ago
      If French society is anything like Danish society, migrants from certain regions will use more in Government services than they will contribute in taxes: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/S00148-017-0636-1 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/S00148-017-0636-1 "Immigrants from Western countries have a positive fiscal impact, while immigrants from non-Western countries have a large negative one"
      - systemvoltage 5y ago
        I visited Marseille a few years ago and the place is run down by immigrants to the point of no return. Filthy, druggy, prostitution everywhere.
- chuckee 5y ago
  Is that how it worked out in, for example, Germany, with their Turkish immigrants? Are they the most grateful ones?
  - jmll 5y ago
    This kind of rhethoric weakens the discussion on the site. You can surely rephrase your counterpoint and avoid the implied sarcasm.
    - chuckee 5y ago
      What weakens discussion is willful historical blindness, as demonstrated by the comment I replied to.
- PoignardAzur 5y ago
  I wouldn't hold my breath too much. Immigrant communities have a lot of resentment for the French government.
Scoundreller 5y ago
Will it still be another 1-2 year wait for an interview once they’re eligible or is that being sped up too?
- BossingAround 5y ago
  Are you basing the question on your experience with the French immigration system? In other words, why would there be a 1-year+ wait for an interview?
  - ILikeBikes 5y ago
    Legally, the government has to reply within 18 months after your application, according to the page about Naturalisation on service-public.fr, an official website (idk if I may post links) In some cities like Lyon, you can indeed wait 1+ year for the process. Informally, the Administration / "Préfectures" are infamous for being slow, and requests are processed in each administrative division, so you'd rather not be in a city where there are a lot of applicants.
  - ILikeBikes 5y ago
    I mean, anyway, being naturalised here happens when you are in a stable situation, and is very symbolic in that case, so there is no rush. If you live in France, you are welcome to be in here, you can vote for local elections if you're from the EU, you pay taxes or not according to your income, like anyone else, you can access the full social security system and other public services,... I understand that being French is a stateless concept about living in here and sharing the moment, and it's not just a legal status ; so it makes sense if it takes time, but it arrives eventually.
    - Scoundreller 5y ago
      Depends how good or useless your existing passport is. Travelling as a French national is a lot easier than travelling as an Algerian or Lebanese national. If you’re a Canadian or USian, it’s largely meh to get your French citizenship to travel.
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