3 ms·
If society is violent, divided, and less trusting of one another, there is more willingness to turn to the state for protection. Unfortunately this creates a s
by throwawaylinux 5y ago
If society is violent, divided, and less trusting of one another, there is more willingness to turn to the state for protection.
Unfortunately this creates a strong incentive for all governments to actually create such societies and increase division and mistrust in order to gain power.
- seanmcdirmid 5y agoBut Australia isn’t violent, divided, and less trusting of one another. Neither are most of the western-style developed countries that turn to the state for protection. > Unfortunately this creates a strong incentive for all governments to actually create such societies and increase division and mistrust in order to gain power. Have you actually been to Australia before? Or Europe for that matter? Or Japan? Your claims don’t make much sense with the current examples. All we have is a developed country that heavily values the right to bear arms and has a horrible crime rate, while the other countries are the exact opposite.
- throwawaylinux 5y ago> But Australia isn’t violent, divided, and less trusting of one another. Neither are most of the western-style developed countries that turn to the state for protection. I didn't say they were. > Have you actually been to Australia before? Or Europe for that matter? Or Japan? Yes, yes, yes. Worthless rhetorical questions. > Your claims don’t make much sense with the current examples. What claims? > All we have is a developed country that heavily values the right to bear arms and has a horrible crime rate, while the other countries are the exact opposite. I'm not sure what you're getting at, but Europe is not a country. And there are more countries than your examples with differences in crime rates and gun ownership, so I suspect whatever point you are trying to prove with selective data points wouldn't actually hold up.
- seanmcdirmid 5y agoWe have tons of examples of states where the government takes responsibility for protecting the people and are safer than the one example where a second amendment exists to keep people "safe". If you want to split hairs between western and eastern europe, yes, countries like the Ukraine is not as safe as the USA, but that in no way proves your point.
- throwawaylinux 5y agoYou didn't address my post or answer my questions. What "point" is it that you think I am making? What claims is it you think I have made?
- seanmcdirmid 5y ago> If society is violent, divided, and less trusting of one another, there is more willingness to turn to the state for protection. Patently false from all available exemples.
- throwawaylinux 5y agoWhat examples? How do they demonstrate that? Clearly not all available examples were used! And nowhere did I say that that is the only reason a society would be willing to turn to the state for protection, so spare me the false counter examples dressed up breathlessly to look like some incredible gotcha.
- seanmcdirmid 5y agoI gave the examples in my first comment, you didn’t refute them but claimed their were some bad countries in Europe, which I agreed with (Ukraine, Russia, etc…).
- throwawaylinux 5y agoYour examples didn't refute what I wrote.