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Time to start the Church of Not Getting Fingerprinted so that we can all get exempted.

alasdair_ 5y ago
I once created the Church of the Exploding Light to get around a municipal fireworks ban. Perhaps we could be part of the same meta-church?
heresie-dabord 5y ago
I propose a Church of Pacifism and Anti-Surveillance to get us out of all kinds of large-scale destructive mischief.
mikeryan 5y ago
The Satanic Temple has been pushing to use religious exemptions around laws such as Texas' recent abortion law. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Satanic-Temple-texas-abortion-law-16441269.php https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Sata...
- Gunax 5y ago
  The Satanists are a perfect poison pill to overbroad exemptions. They have all ready staged a figurative middle finger to religious carve-outs with their 10 commandments protest (disguised as a Moloch statue, of course). 'Oh, I thought this was for all faiths to be treated equally...' And since it's a new/fake religion, their beliefs are a blank slate which can be adapted to whichever liberty or situation presents itself. They are daring the courts to call their belief insincere--something the courts are rightly trepidatious about deciding what constitutes bona-fide belief. It's pretty much the religious exceptionist's worst nightmare--a parody religion set up to leech off any religious benefits or exclusions. Okay, you don't believe in birth control? Well I don't believe in blood transfusions/cancer/insulin. Your move, Christians.
  - KittenInABox 5y ago
    I like the Satanists for the purposes of showing/challenging legal exceptions for religious beliefs. Unfortunately a big hole I see in this logic is the notion of "reasonable accommodation"; that is to say, what is considered a reasonable accommodation would be influenced by the majority religions. So, certain opinions on certain medical procedures would be considered reasonable, while others wouldn't be, and a heavily-Christian-influenced cultural notion of reasonability would of course be biased towards Christian religious beliefs...
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    > And since it's a new/fake religion, their beliefs are a blank slate which can be adapted to whichever liberty or situation presents itself. Perhaps, but that's not necessary here. Making decisions for yourself is a huge part of Satanism.
Gunax 5y ago
IMO the solution is simple: if you give an exception, everyone gets it. You don't need to prove your beliefs are bona-fide. That's just not something we want employers or the courts getting involved in.
quickthrower2 5y ago
And church of possession and consumption of chemicals of any forumlae for personal use.

I once created the Church of the Exploding Light to get around a municipal fireworks ban. Perhaps we could be part of the same meta-church?

heresie-dabord 5y ago

I propose a Church of Pacifism and Anti-Surveillance to get us out of all kinds of large-scale destructive mischief.

mikeryan 5y ago

The Satanic Temple has been pushing to use religious exemptions around laws such as Texas' recent abortion law. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Satanic-Temple-texas-abortion-law-16441269.php https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Sata...

Gunax 5y ago
The Satanists are a perfect poison pill to overbroad exemptions. They have all ready staged a figurative middle finger to religious carve-outs with their 10 commandments protest (disguised as a Moloch statue, of course). 'Oh, I thought this was for all faiths to be treated equally...' And since it's a new/fake religion, their beliefs are a blank slate which can be adapted to whichever liberty or situation presents itself. They are daring the courts to call their belief insincere--something the courts are rightly trepidatious about deciding what constitutes bona-fide belief. It's pretty much the religious exceptionist's worst nightmare--a parody religion set up to leech off any religious benefits or exclusions. Okay, you don't believe in birth control? Well I don't believe in blood transfusions/cancer/insulin. Your move, Christians.
- KittenInABox 5y ago
  I like the Satanists for the purposes of showing/challenging legal exceptions for religious beliefs. Unfortunately a big hole I see in this logic is the notion of "reasonable accommodation"; that is to say, what is considered a reasonable accommodation would be influenced by the majority religions. So, certain opinions on certain medical procedures would be considered reasonable, while others wouldn't be, and a heavily-Christian-influenced cultural notion of reasonability would of course be biased towards Christian religious beliefs...
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  > And since it's a new/fake religion, their beliefs are a blank slate which can be adapted to whichever liberty or situation presents itself. Perhaps, but that's not necessary here. Making decisions for yourself is a huge part of Satanism.

Gunax 5y ago

IMO the solution is simple: if you give an exception, everyone gets it. You don't need to prove your beliefs are bona-fide. That's just not something we want employers or the courts getting involved in.

quickthrower2 5y ago

And church of possession and consumption of chemicals of any forumlae for personal use.