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Did you never learn that the definition of a government includes having a monopoly on violence? Australia would essentially become a failed state with your sug

• bpodgursky 5y ago
  If governments all had a permanent monopoly on violence we would all be forever living under the eternal dynasty of God-Emperor Hammurabi CCCXXIVI in the all-kingdom stretching from the Euphrates to all the sun has ever touched. Sometimes you have to break the rules to make long-term positive changes.
• anfilt 5y ago
  Armed rebellion is not always needed to make changes. However just letting the state do what it wants without push back certainly is not going to change things.
  • rajamaka 5y ago
    It's also currently illegal to organise protests or leave the country.
    • jimmaswell 5y ago
      The first being obvious enough in its abhorrence, and the second being a violation of human rights as defined by the UN. Unfortunately it seems like a large amount of Australians are eager for even more of this authoritarianism. By the time they learn their lesson it will be too late.
• pclmulqdq 5y ago
  Australia is already a failed state. That happened the second they decided to imprison their populace and started talking about the "New world order." The state has failed its people, and the only thing left is for it to crumble.
  • mandelbrotwurst 5y ago
    Wow, who was it in their government who was discussing a NWO? Do you have any link / source / context?
    • Covzire 5y ago
      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/australia-new-world-order-conspiracies-b1917082.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/austral...
    • pclmulqdq 5y ago
      The chief medical officer of New South Wales said it during a press conference recently
    • jwond 5y ago
      It was the chief health officer of New South Wales, Dr. Kerry Chant. Dr. Chant said: “We will be looking at what contact tracing looks like in the New World Order…yes it will be pubs and clubs and other things if we have a positive case there.” https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/new-world-order-australia-covid-v54072845 https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/new-world-order-austra...
      • mandelbrotwurst 5y ago
        Oof, thanks.
  • hilbert42 5y ago
    There is nothing wrong with contact tracing during a pandemic. It's been used by many countries in the past including the US. Let's go back a long way to 1854 during the cholera epidemic in London when Dr John Snow found that the Broad Street pump was its cause and he located it by contact tracing those who contacted cholera and worked backwards to the source. This case is famous for the very fact it shows that contact tracing and isolating saves lives (please ensure that you look at the map he used to trace the pump): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1854_Broad_Street_cholera_outbreak https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1854_Broad_Street_cholera_ou... I can attest to this, contact tracing put a quick end to the COVID outbreak near where I live and I'm very thankful for the work those tracers did under very arduous circumstances. In principle, contact tracing during a pandemic has nothing to do with the general increase in surveillance that's gripping the planet at the moment - it is an entirely separate matter. The fact that we have sleezebag governments prepared to subvert a decent legitimate process is - again - a separate and serious problem for democracy.
• throwawayfear 5y ago
  Australia is already on its way to being a failed state by now. Police and military patrol the streets to enforce rules, “papers please” tyranny is required to live, and soon they’ll demand complete surveillance and control in your own house. Wake up before it is too late. https://theconversation.com/vaccine-passports-are-coming-to-australia-how-will-they-work-and-what-will-you-need-them-for-167531 https://theconversation.com/vaccine-passports-are-coming-to-... “NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian yesterday announced freedoms for fully vaccinated people once 70% of the state’s eligible population are double dosed. These include being able to go to hospitality venues, hairdressers and gyms, and have five people to your home.” They are even now trying to limit how many people you can have over in your own home. It is a failed state. Wake up before you are enslaved.
  • 6nf 5y ago
    No vaccine? You're never getting a haircut again. Or buying clothes in a store. Or meeting friends outside or going to a restaurant. Australia is done, I'm making plans to leave. And judging by the downvotes people think this stuff is acceptable?
    • hug 5y ago
      I would rather anti-vaxers leave the country than continue to hang around, yes. Do I think that it will be acceptable if lockdowns continue in Australia past the point at which the various state governments have agreed they will stop (i.e.: the 70% and 80% population vaccinated marks)? No. Do I think the reason why those targets are harder to meet than necessary is because of unscientific fearmongering idiots refusing to get the vaccine? Yes. In a way, I blame this more on you than on the government.
      • drcross 5y ago
        If you think you need a vaccine for a disease with a median age of death that's 84 you've badly failed at basic risk analysis and you've been massaged by the machine.