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> now that I and 90% of adults around me are fully vaccinated I'm curious, where did that 90% figure come from? Around here, of the eligible population, about

> now that I and 90% of adults around me are fully vaccinated I'm curious, where did that 90% figure come from? Around here, of the eligible population, about 1 of every 3 has no shot at all, one 1 out of 4 with just a single shot. If you look at the full population, including minors and other ineligible groups, the numbers are even worse. That means if I go to the grocery store, I'm absolutely gonna be in proximity to someone unvaccinated at some point along the way.

sprafa 5y ago
Assume he’s in a EU country/US state with high vaccination rate.
- dehrmann 5y ago
  In Santa Clara county (Silicon Valley), 87.6% residents over 12 have has one dose, 82.4% are fully vaccinated. I have no idea if people eager for boosters are getting double counted.
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Wowfunhappy 5y ago
Minors aren't at serious risk, and 99% of the remaining unvaccinated population has made a conscious choice to live dangerously.
- CarelessExpert 5y ago
  No, some large percentage of the remaining unvaccinated population have decided to put people like my immunocompromised mother-in-law at risk through their actions. I'm genuinely sick of this "I got mine jack" attitude toward vaccination. Getting vaccinated isn't just about you. Unfortunately we apparently have a good solid 20-30% of the population who care only about themselves. But, who should be surprised. This is just American radical individualism coming home to roost. And that's ignoring the fact that with Delta there's early indications that it's leading to an increase in the number of younger folks hospitalized or worse.
  - nradov 5y ago
    I encourage everyone to get vaccinated if they can, but the Delta variant is so contagious that your immunocompromised mother-in-law is likely to be exposed eventually no matter how many people are vaccinated. There will be no significant herd immunity effect. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu... The Delta variant causes more younger people to be hospitalized just because there are more infections total. There is no reliable evidence that Delta causes more severe symptoms.
    - CarelessExpert 5y ago
      > There will be no significant herd immunity effect. This is a statement that lacks critical nuance. Will there be herd immunity that eliminates the virus from the population? I agree, the answer is probably "no". But vaccines significantly reduce the chance of acquiring covid upon exposure, and they reduce the period in which you're infectious if you experience a breakthrough case. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1 The result is that R is significantly reduced in a highly vaccinated population. This reduces the rate of spread and the chance any one person will be exposed, thereby protecting the vulnerable. I know everyone is throwing around the example of Israel's experience, but no one seems to be considering just how much worse things would be for them if they didn't have a high rate of vaccination. The answer: a lot worse. Especially when you consider that, even with Delta, vaccines are highly protective against hospitalization and death: https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-...
      - nradov 5y ago
        Unfortunately that's not how it works in the real world. Since the virus is now endemic, the chance that vulnerable people will be exposed over the next several years approaches 100%. Reducing R0 only slows down the spread a little. We don't have a practical way to reduce it below 1.

sprafa 5y ago

Assume he’s in a EU country/US state with high vaccination rate.

dehrmann 5y ago
In Santa Clara county (Silicon Valley), 87.6% residents over 12 have has one dose, 82.4% are fully vaccinated. I have no idea if people eager for boosters are getting double counted.
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Wowfunhappy 5y ago

Minors aren't at serious risk, and 99% of the remaining unvaccinated population has made a conscious choice to live dangerously.

CarelessExpert 5y ago
No, some large percentage of the remaining unvaccinated population have decided to put people like my immunocompromised mother-in-law at risk through their actions. I'm genuinely sick of this "I got mine jack" attitude toward vaccination. Getting vaccinated isn't just about you. Unfortunately we apparently have a good solid 20-30% of the population who care only about themselves. But, who should be surprised. This is just American radical individualism coming home to roost. And that's ignoring the fact that with Delta there's early indications that it's leading to an increase in the number of younger folks hospitalized or worse.
- nradov 5y ago
  I encourage everyone to get vaccinated if they can, but the Delta variant is so contagious that your immunocompromised mother-in-law is likely to be exposed eventually no matter how many people are vaccinated. There will be no significant herd immunity effect. https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immunity-not-possible-astrazeneca-developer-2021-8?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu... The Delta variant causes more younger people to be hospitalized just because there are more infections total. There is no reliable evidence that Delta causes more severe symptoms.
  - CarelessExpert 5y ago
    > There will be no significant herd immunity effect. This is a statement that lacks critical nuance. Will there be herd immunity that eliminates the virus from the population? I agree, the answer is probably "no". But vaccines significantly reduce the chance of acquiring covid upon exposure, and they reduce the period in which you're infectious if you experience a breakthrough case. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1 The result is that R is significantly reduced in a highly vaccinated population. This reduces the rate of spread and the chance any one person will be exposed, thereby protecting the vulnerable. I know everyone is throwing around the example of Israel's experience, but no one seems to be considering just how much worse things would be for them if they didn't have a high rate of vaccination. The answer: a lot worse. Especially when you consider that, even with Delta, vaccines are highly protective against hospitalization and death: https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-...
    - nradov 5y ago
      Unfortunately that's not how it works in the real world. Since the virus is now endemic, the chance that vulnerable people will be exposed over the next several years approaches 100%. Reducing R0 only slows down the spread a little. We don't have a practical way to reduce it below 1.